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skollulfr 03-05-2013 05:44 PM

change aceton beam to aceton beam infusion
 
instead of the current worthless deflector power, make it a beam weapon modifying proc


Rank I: Lt Commander ----1m 30s

duration 20 seconds of modified beam fire 50% proc chance
up to 10 times for max
- 4% target dps
120 dps DoT ignores shield
20% targets energy dps affects them


Rank II: Commander ----1m30s

duration 25 seconds of modified beam fire 60% proc chance
-6% target dps
180dps DoT
25% targets energy dps affects them


Rank III: Commander ----2m 00s

duration 35 seconds of modified beam fire 60% proc chance
-8% target dps
280dps DoT
35% targets energy dps affects them


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and now aceton becomes a usable power.

tpalelena 03-05-2013 06:46 PM

Aceton beam is for debuffing a boss in elite STFs.

Don't change it.

jornado 03-05-2013 08:16 PM

But...Aceton Beam Infusion's got ELECTROLYTES!

Seriously tho, interesting idea.

skollulfr 03-05-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpalelena (Post 8452621)
Aceton beam is for debuffing a boss in elite STFs.

Don't change it.

did you actually look at the numbers i put here, against what it does now?

you realise the numbers i have put here would make it do almost exactly the same thing as it dose now?
bar a few % while actually making it useful outside an stf?
compensating for it being instantly cleared by HE which is run be EVERYONE as a heal/cleanse?
not to mention changing the CD on the level 3 version of the power that is less useful than the second level power.

and compensates for the little issue where the ships with the LtCmd and above stations are typically ships whos turn rate is measured in YEARS(excluding the HEC), by turning it into a beam modifying ability rather than a narrow arc deflector ability?

shadowfang240 03-05-2013 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpalelena (Post 8452621)
Aceton beam is for debuffing a boss in elite STFs.

Don't change it.

yeah, elite STF bosses and nothing else

Change it.

eradicator84 03-05-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowfang240 (Post 8453891)
yeah, elite STF bosses and nothing else

Change it.

I find it invaluable against bosses too and STFs in general, but like you said currently not much else.

Now, before we go rewriting the rule book, why is it in effective vs everything else?


Primarily the ability is an energy weapons debuff and small radiation DoT skill. Thus complimenting the roll of engy cruisers as tanks or support vessels. It's not inherently an offensive skill nor should it be.

For me my main problem is that it can only be fired in a narrow 90 degree arc. On cruisers that'll have this ability especially in PvP that's almost useless. I'd make it 360 (so you can use it on those pesky escorts sitting on your tail) or at least a 180 degree arc.

Second is the cool down. It's a long time to wait between debuffs.

If I were to add anything to the ability I would make it more an AoE effect, if keeping a non 360 arc make everyone in the arc for 5km should get effected by it (to perhaps a lesser extent). Or perhaps you shoot a target and an AoE bubble forms from the target much like grav well but just for weapons debuffs and a little DoT. Would certainly be nice when trying to tank multiple aggroed targets at once instead of popping all your heals then dying a few seconds later.

Didn't realise the tier 3 of this ability gives a 75% debuff. Will have to give that a go tonight. Only been using AB1 up until now.

skollulfr 03-05-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eradicator84 (Post 8454621)
Didn't realise the tier 3 of this ability gives a 75% debuff. Will have to give that a go tonight. Only been using AB1 up until now.

dont bother with the tier 3 version. its cd is so long it is actually less useful as a debuff the level 2 ability.

shadowfang240 03-05-2013 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eradicator84 (Post 8454621)
(so you can use it on those pesky escorts sitting on your tail)

and then that pesky escort uses a 45 second CD power to remove a 3 minute CD power instantly, but that's a whole other can of worms

skollulfr 03-05-2013 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowfang240 (Post 8454711)
and then that pesky escort uses a 45 second CD power to remove a 3 minute CD power instantly, but that's a whole other can of worms

i would be just as happy to plug this power into my kling tacs LtCmdr BoP station as i would be to put it on my fed engies cruiser.
and with these stats its a viable alternative to DEM on an agile all cannon bird, or a hulking great cruiser,

all the sophistry in the world over forcing the mmorpg class model where it doesnt belong, and only serves to parody itself for the whole world, highlighting its myopic failings, helps nothing.

sander233 03-05-2013 10:29 PM

Devs, please ignore these people. They know not of which they speak. If you want to unplug the shared cooldown with DEM, that's fine, but otherwise please leave my Aceton Beam III alone.


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