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dm19delta 03-13-2013 08:25 PM

Size Comparison
 
I noticed this at DS9 today, although I'm not sure why I didn't notice it sooner because I used to frequent DS9 quite often, but here it is.

Sovereign/DS9 size comparison

Here is a couple of shots from the shows

Enterprise D docking at DS9

Defiant docking at DS9

Here is a size comparison chart of Federation ships

Comparison chart

The last chart shows the size difference between the Defiant and Sovereign classes. The photo from in-game shows my Sovereign easily able to fit into one of the docking bays on the outside ring. Looking at the stills you can see that the Defiant just fits into the dock on the outside ring, and the Enterprise D is too large to use the outside ring so it has to dock at the end of the arms extending from the outside ring. Look again at the size chart, and you can see that the Sovereign is far larger than the Defiant, and slightly larger than the Galaxy.

I took some other shots to compare several other ships in STO to my Sovereign, and they all look fairly accurate, but DS9 is far too large.

My question to the developers is this: Is this intentional? Is it something having to do with the game mechanics as to why DS9 is so oversized?

My question to the community: Has anyone else noticed this? Has anyone noticed any other size discrepencies in STO?

dracounguis 03-13-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dm19delta (Post 8575441)
My question to the community: Has anyone else noticed this? Has anyone noticed any other size discrepencies in STO?

Yes, there have been many threads about size scales

jexsamx 03-13-2013 08:47 PM

Virtually all of STO's size discrepancies are intentional, either for playability or aesthetic purposes.

DS9 is big because it's a hub and big hubs are more impressive. The Dominion Dreadnaught is too small because its true size would be ludicrous for a player ship. Most of the game's Escorts, Fed-side at any rate, are slightly larger than they ought to be for, and shuttle are gargantuan because if they were accurate, they'd be specks on the screen next your Odyssey.

Then there's the Defiant which is a clusterfrak of biblical proportions regarding its... proportions.

logicalspock 03-13-2013 08:47 PM

The Cryptic artists decided that DS9 needed to be much larger than it actually was presented on the show in order to make it "feel" correct to players.

They actually scaled it down a bit from when it was first created, but the Defiant is still not much larger than a runabout in the current DS9.

centersolace 03-13-2013 09:04 PM

Oh lordy. These are my favorite! Let's begin shall we?

1. DS9 is about 5 times it's actual size.

2. Spacedock is too small. Canonically it can contain 8 Galaxy Class sized ships. The Galaxy Class cannot fit through the doors.

3. K-7 is FIFTY times its actual size! It should be smaller than a Galaxy Class.

4. Every shuttle is too big. Supposedly this too make them easier for players to "see", but there are actual sized shuttles/fighters in game.

5. Torpedos are too large. Seriously.

6. The Defiant is also too big.

7. The B'rel, and Jem'hadar bugship are supposed to be smaller than the Defiant.

8. The D'deridex and Scimitar of all things are too small.

9. Most of the combages, the TNG ones in particular, are way too big.

10. The Odyssey is an interesting case. Due to it having no canon size, it's tricky trying to figure out how big it's really supposed to be. But the more you look at it currently, the weirder it looks. Going from the number of floors, it's only about the size of the Sovy. However, it looks really stupid at that size. So based on it's crew capacity and description, that makes it wider than a Galaxy class.

11. The Jem'hadar Dreadnought is about half it's actual size.

12. All the shuttles are more or less the same size. Even if you have only a passing experience with the show, you know that this is really wrong.

...and that's just what I have at the top of my head. :P

inosaska 03-13-2013 09:29 PM

I'm hoping one day they make the ship sizes proper scale same with stations.

emacsheadroom 03-13-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by centersolace (Post 8575941)
2. Spacedock is too small. Canonically it can contain 8 Galaxy Class sized ships. The Galaxy Class cannot fit through the doors.

Actually the size of Spacedock is accurate to the films. The starbase we see the Ent-D fly inside in a couple of TNG episodes is not Spacedock, it's Starbase 74, a ludicrously scaled up version of Spacedock. The Galaxy class was never even supposed to be able to enter Spacedock because it was too large. It was intended to dock on the exterior.

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Originally Posted by centersolace (Post 8575941)
8. The D'deridex and Scimitar of all things are too small.

11. The Jem'hadar Dreadnought is about half it's actual size.

No, they're relatively accurate. The Dreadnought was always intended to be 1500m long but in game it's closer to 1300m. The D'deridex is about the same size as the Dread and it's official length was meant to be 1300m. The Scimitar's length is only 800m. The width is what makes it seem big in Nemesis, but really it's not larger than the D'deridex.

valis67 03-13-2013 09:40 PM

DS9 needs to be smaller.

tacofangs 03-13-2013 10:01 PM

Yes, DS9 is considerably larger than was shown in the show.*

This is because when it was playtested at "real" scale, it felt very small. Designers wanted you to be able to fly around the station, in and out of the rings, through the upper docking arms, etc. If it were proper scale, only something the size of the Defiant or smaller would be capable of that, and even that would be a tight fit.

ESD is actually not too small. Well, it is, if you're going by the bs that it can fit 8 galaxy's inside. ESD in game has roughly the measurements of it's canonical size. If you want to claim 8 galaxy's fit in there, then it must be some kind of Tardis.

K-7 is ridiculous, no doubt.

Shuttles are too large in comparison with regular ships. This is mostly so they are visible at all. If they were proper size, they would be specs on screen. They are, however, largely in scale to each other.

As for the ships themselves, I've posted a couple of these comparison shots over the years:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8324/8...3a1beb19_z.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6043/7...cf6ea7c9_z.jpg
Each of these is a screenshot taken within 3D Studio Max, of the actual in game models of the ships you fly around, all stacked, side by side. Measurements have to be converted since all of our ships are roughly person sized in game. The final measurements of each ship is within a few meters of the canonical size of each. (Noted exception for the Defiant which actually has a pretty wide range of canon sizes between 120-180m. 164 falls within that obviously)




* Though all of those shots of the Ent D, and Defiant are out of scale with each other as well. When filming the show, a ship was whatever size they needed it to be for the shot. The only reason it's more apparent with STO, is that you can spend time comparing them, flying around, and looking at them in much more detail than the fixed shot you saw on the shows.

neoakiraii 03-13-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by valis67 (Post 8576331)
DS9 needs to be smaller.


And Leon's getting Laaaarger


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