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wardcalis 05-16-2013 06:34 PM

Fix the turn rate for the D'Deridex
 
Fix the turn rate for the D'Deridex, It is so bad, it's the greatest ship in startrek history and it's unplayable because of the turn.

msk5 05-16-2013 06:41 PM

*sigh* No it's not.

The D'deridex is fine especially with the new boff layout. It's not an escort and never was going to be one. This is why Romulan Battle Cloak grants a huge turn buff, you're supposed to play rom ships more as hit and run ships alpha-striking all over than a Fedscort. D'deridex is designed to hit hard, withstand whatever it gets countered with until battle cloak is ready and fade away to do it again.

If you don't like the way the D'deridex plays, spoilers, but you're not going to like a lot about the Romulans from a tactical perspective.

asimosa 05-16-2013 06:47 PM

Yeah, it actually works alright. The D'deridex is definitely slow... but what's not immediately obvious is the battle cloak gives it a massive turn rate buff (I think +14 degrees? Easily pushing it into 25-30 degrees per second after skills/buffs), meaning it's not too hard to make quick turns in an emergency... and you get a damage buff after you're done.

I mean it's not an escort and you'd be insane to put dual cannons on it, but mobility really isn't the issue I was expecting it to be. And the new BOFF layout is amazing.

msk5 05-16-2013 06:55 PM

Yeah you can definitely pull off DBBs and/or Single cannons on a D'deridex with no issues. It is an adjustment in playstyle but the satisfaction of getting a perfect angle on a few enemy ships and decloaking with plasma torp spread, csv or fire at will on them and then cloaking before they can even get the fires out is immense.

Good warbird pilots are going to be the bane of everyone else's existence in PVP.

wardcalis 05-16-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by asimosa (Post 9988441)
Yeah, it actually works alright. The D'deridex is definitely slow... but what's not immediately obvious is the battle cloak gives it a massive turn rate buff (I think +14 degrees? Easily pushing it into 25-30 degrees per second after skills/buffs), meaning it's not too hard to make quick turns in an emergency... and you get a damage buff after you're done.

I mean it's not an escort and you'd be insane to put dual cannons on it, but mobility really isn't the issue I was expecting it to be. And the new BOFF layout is amazing.

With the power levels thing I'm getting destroyed when I cloak. I loose like 50% of my hull from stuff enroute when I cloak because of how the shields drop and then we cloak. and while cloaked i can't use hazard emitters or eng team so when I do come out of cloak i'm already hurting bad. and I have to focus on shield abilities first usually. With the piss poor turn rate everything moves out of my field of fire before I can nuke it dead. using dual beam banks

marc8219 05-16-2013 07:05 PM

Were you using RCS consoles? If so how many and what was the Mk/rarity? How many ranks in impulse thrusters skill, warp core potential, warp core efficiency, and engine performance do you have? What kind of engines were you using? What power level were your engines at?

You need to provide more information so we know if it is the fault of the ship, or the fault of the pilot and not using proper gear/spec/settings.

wardcalis 05-16-2013 07:11 PM

1 blue RCS
impulse and WCE maxed
15 eng power setting
green impulse engine

maxvitor 05-16-2013 07:15 PM

I found a world of difference in how this thing flies with just a single RCS console, that said this thing is huge, it's what, 3 or 4 times the bulk of a Galaxy, there is no way they would give it a high turn rate. Call it a warbird if you like but it's still just a big damn cruiser and has all of the benefits and shortcomings of one.
I am hoping that there will be tighter turning free alternatives introduced for players who don't have an undying love for this fattened turkey, but to date there is no love for the escort crowd in this faction.
Romulan ships are seriously lacking in variety, unlike the escort, science, cruiser choices of the other factions, every tier of Romulan just rewards you with increasingly bulky ships.
Unless of course you want to spend money.

I'm cruiser guy myself and I will be getting the Haakona because I think it looks cool, but I won't be lying if I say that I hope to see considerably more filling the lots of the ship dealer in the hopefully not too distant future.

wardcalis 05-16-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by maxvitor (Post 9988941)
I found a world of difference in how this thing flies with just a single RCS console, that said this thing is huge, it's what, 3 or 4 times the bulk of a Galaxy, there is no way they would give it a high turn rate. Call it a warbird if you like but it's still just a big damn cruiser and has all of the benefits and shortcomings of one.
I am hoping that there will be tighter turning free alternatives introduced for players who don't have an undying love for this fattened turkey, but to date there is no love for the escort crowd in this faction.
Romulan ships are seriously lacking in variety, unlike the escort, science, cruiser choices of the other factions, every tier of Romulan just rewards you with increasingly bulky ships.
Unless of course you want to spend money.

I'm cruiser guy myself and I will be getting the Haakona because I think it looks cool, but I won't be lying if I say that I hope to see considerably more filling the lots of the ship dealer in the hopefully not too distant future.

I have to use hull plating eng consoles or I almost die the moment I start cloaking most times. I can't afford more than 1 RCS

neok182 05-16-2013 07:24 PM

Cstore version set bonus also gives this:

Enhanced Maneuvering Systems (D'deridex)
+2 Turn Rate
+10 Engine Power

That boosts it's turn rate to 7.5

And one of the consoles helps with turning as well.

Console ? Universal ? Molecular Phase Inverter

Increases Defense, Damage Resistance, Speed and Turn Rate while also disabling ship collision. Can activate Cloak while Phased.

Console ? Universal ? Projected Singularity

Launches a mobile subspace tear that moves away from the front of your ship, dragging enemy ships in its wake before imploding to deal damage.


Use those two consoles on the D'Dex and the thing is a beast.

I normally only fly escorts, with the one exception of the vesta. but i can't wait to fly the d'dex with the set bonus.


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