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istvaanshogaatsu 05-19-2013 08:52 AM

Klingons: a question.
 
I've played STO since... November of last year, I believe. I first got into Kerrat by December.

Since that time, I've learned to recognize and accept an utterly undeniable and inarguable fact:

ALL THE BEST PVPERS IN STO ARE KLINGONS.

If you even attempt to dispute this, you're an idiot.

So... here's my question to all you fine Klingon PVPers; it is a question I have asked of Buh'ong, the Klink PVPer I possibly respect most of all of you, due to being unable to murder him, and his murdering of my self quite frequently:

Why are you guys still beating up on the team of ******* who don't know how to push buttons or defend themselves?

Honestly.

The quality disparity between Feds and Klinks is like a giant chasm. Klinks know how to cross-repair, Feds hoard their reps to themselves. Klinks know how to plan ambushes, Feds know how to... kill borg repair hulks, and that's about it.

Klinks are SO, SO MUCH BETTER AT PVP THAN FEDS, it's not even funny. It's like a no-holds-barred octagon match between Jet Li and Stephen Hawking.

Again, my question, reiterated: Why do you Klingons keep playing as Klingons, when it's obvious that Klingons are the best PVPers around?

You will face far more *challenge* and *difficulty* fighting AGAINST Klingons... so... why do you stay on the winning team content to harvest meaningless victories against INCOMPETENT opponents (the Feds, if that wasn't clear) when you could be scoring rewarding victories as a Fed against Klinks who are, on average, more skilled and effective than you are?

Klinks; do you honestly feel challenged, fighting the Feds in this game?

NO.

I didn't think you did.

Because I have felt what you have felt. In Kerrat, I have sometimes been moved to the Klink team.

Do you know what that feels like?

It's like being pulled off the front line of a very vicious war against a very skilled enemy, and suddenly being asked to beat some defenseless babies to death. Maybe some puppies with one leg, too.

That is what Fed pilots are, for the most part. Defenseless, pathetic babies. Maybe, MAYBE, 10% of them know to fight back. Maybe, MAAAAYBE, half of that 10% knows how to actually kill you.

Which brings up again, the question I asked previously:

Why are you Klinks still beating up on the defenseless incompetents of STO? Shouldn't you find a more challenging quarry?

magnumstar 05-19-2013 09:17 AM

I haven't done Kerrat in about 2 1/2 years but I doubt its not much different now. Normally the Klink players are outnumbered on about average of 3-1 so KDF skill is offset by the number of Feds. Also if you stay in long enough you'll see the advantage swing from one side back to the other, there are a lot of highly skilled Fed Captains out there that know how to counter every KDF trick in the book and can give a skilled KDF player a good spanking.

As to why those guys do not want to go back to flying a Fed ship, that's easy, once you fly a KDF ship there's no going back. Come over to the Red side and you will understand. Once you discover the heady joys of cloak and ambush and actually teamwork you can never again sit in a saucer shaped ship. Its very very very frustrating to be on a team full of Fed newbies who don't have a clue, I find myself wishing I could target my own teammates.

travelingmaster 05-19-2013 01:28 PM

I like flying KDF BoPs, Raptors, and Destroyers. The only Federation ship I truly enjoyed flying was the Defiant.

KDF is where I belong. It's what I identify with. As for the pickings in Ker'rat, it varies. Sometimes competent players roll through and we can have a glorious battle out of it, battle that's better than the stale, boring arena and C+H queue system. My only wish is that we had more kill missions and other things that could be accomplished within Ker'rat, and that Ker'rat be fixed.

But I agree, KDF has a better PvP contingent on average, though the Federation has more premades/elite PvP fleets. KDF operates on a more pugmade basis, and we usually do well enough.

travelingmaster 05-19-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by magnumstar (Post 10045061)
I haven't done Kerrat in about 2 1/2 years but I doubt its not much different now. Normally the Klink players are outnumbered on about average of 3-1 so KDF skill is offset by the number of Feds. Also if you stay in long enough you'll see the advantage swing from one side back to the other, there are a lot of highly skilled Fed Captains out there that know how to counter every KDF trick in the book and can give a skilled KDF player a good spanking.

As to why those guys do not want to go back to flying a Fed ship, that's easy, once you fly a KDF ship there's no going back. Come over to the Red side and you will understand. Once you discover the heady joys of cloak and ambush and actually teamwork you can never again sit in a saucer shaped ship. Its very very very frustrating to be on a team full of Fed newbies who don't have a clue, I find myself wishing I could target my own teammates.

Yeah, Ker'rat has hardly changed since it was first implemented. KDF is normally outnumbered or evenly-matched (though there are glorious moments where we dominate a zone), everyone restart-spawns on the friggin KDF spawnpoint (often leading to Federation spawncamping), the Borg are still glitchy along with the map, etc. If the devs revamp PvP at any point, I hope they vastly improve Ker'rat and its functionality. Half the reason people don't like Ker'rat is because of the bugs/flawed design. Specifically, the difficulty in changing zones, the spawncamping, etc. All of these are fixable if the devs were to simply invest the resources to do it.

bubblygumsworth 05-19-2013 04:22 PM

Hunting in Ker'rat and Bloodwine.




Oh and a red UI

jaegernl 05-19-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by istvaanshogaatsu (Post 10044721)
Since that time, I've learned to recognize and accept an utterly undeniable and inarguable fact:

ALL THE BEST PVPERS IN STO ARE KLINGONS.

If you even attempt to dispute this, you're an idiot.

Istvaan, you're a KDF at heart. Join us.

However, I'd still dispute the fact that the best PvPers are KDF. If Ker'rat is the extent of your PvP experience, you've probably never gone up against a SP or TSI premade. I might be uniformed, but I don't think there's a lot of KDF fleets fielding premades for tournaments at the moment.

mindsharp 05-19-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bubblygumsworth (Post 10052401)
Oh and a red UI

YES!! I love my red UI. Stupid LoR is taking it away :(

But as to the OP, much the same as the others. Once you start playing KDF you stay KDF. The ships look better, KDF pilots will help you instead of letting you die so they can get one more hulk in. And Ive began to hate the majority of the Fed farmers that cry about OP klinks until they get alot of feds, then they start camping. Once you kick them off the spawn, they just start farming again like nothing happened. Then cry about OP klinks when you alpha them. I never cry about feds killing me, I will mostly just tell them camping isnt nice and make them work to kill me.

But I dont think KDF has all the best PVPers, I think its the numbers disparity. You have far more Feds roaming around and the KDF captains generally have played more consistantly. You see most of the same klinks in Ker'rat all the time and a motley group of different feds. But you will immediately notice when the good Feds show up.

scurry5 05-19-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by istvaanshogaatsu (Post 10044721)

ALL THE BEST PVPERS IN STO ARE KLINGONS.

Not really. Many of the best PVP'ers play both sides. It's just that the competent players form a larger portion of the KDF playerbase, increasing the probability of meeting a competent player.

Really, Kerrat is the only open warzone with any population. Also, it is epic fun if I happen to run into a batch of competent FED players, and it happens more often than you might think. It is also epic taking my FED snooper sci into Kerrat and tag-teaming with a friendly escort or two. In such cases, I encounter KDF'ers fairly often who do not have much idea of how to fight with a negated cloak.

Also, the KDF rarely has enough population to start off an arena or other battle with each other. In such scenarios, it is usually 3v3 or 4v4. Not really as fun as the crazy furballs that sometimes erupt in Kerrat.

Although I have a distaste for spawncamping in the form of laying mines, warp plasma, and dozens of assimilators on the spawn, whichever side I am on. Quite simply, I give you 3 seconds to react, given that that's the warp-in animation time, before I start shooting. If you touch me with a beam or cannon, you're open game. If you run off instead, without firing, I leave you to be hunted later.

snoggymack22 05-19-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scurry5 (Post 10054921)
Not really. Many of the best PVP'ers play both sides.

Didn't you ever watch the X-Files? The general public can't handle the truth like that. Shhhhhhhh. Keep that stuff on a need to know basis yo.

bubblygumsworth 05-19-2013 07:22 PM

I just recently deleted another fed character and I will replace him with a new klink character when LoR drops. Hopefully we get a free slot for a rommy character, he will also be allied with the KDF :D


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