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retrosrages 06-02-2013 03:28 PM

Whats The Point In A Cloak Now
 
everything in pvp now seems to drop you out of your cloak and now its even worse with the epta bug they can see you cloaked 10km away, get it fixed Cryptic or bloody pass this game to a company that knows what they are doing.
There should be ONE!!!! special skill that can drop a cloaked ships cloak not bloody 4 or 5, sort this crap out cos im sick to death of getting shafted by this company over and over, rant over :eek::mad::):D

illcadia 06-02-2013 03:48 PM

Yes, yes, let's make it so cloaks are an unbreakable shield of invincibility, and only people running that one- and let's make it a C-store console priced at a million bucks- skill can bypass it, and if they don't have it, then you're completely invincible.

Right?

No, screw that- and screw you. Yes, EPtAux is bugged. But they're fixing it. Cloaks are and always have been fragile- you take damage in cloak, or fly into a plasma cloud or do something stupid and it'll decloak. But make no mistake, that's your fault.

lordmanzelot 06-02-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by retrosrages (Post 10569531)
everything in pvp now seems to drop you out of your cloak and now its even worse with the epta bug they can see you cloaked 10km away, get it fixed Cryptic or bloody pass this game to a company that knows what they are doing.
There should be ONE!!!! special skill that can drop a cloaked ships cloak not bloody 4 or 5, sort this crap out cos im sick to death of getting shafted by this company over and over, rant over :eek::mad::):D

is this a "i quit" thread?

kimmym 06-02-2013 04:37 PM

What do you mean, "now?"

Cloak has always been rather "meh." I have never, ever had a ship cloak on me and even broke a sweat. I've very rarely ever had my cloak actually save me. It occasionally gives me a bit of an alpha strike, but most often the time spent trying to set up the stealth run is better spent just flying in and pumping death into my enemy.

I haven't bothered with a Romulan yet, and I haven't flown a B'Rel, but standard cloak and battle cloak are less then stellar. If you are just noticing that now... I'm sorry.

Edit: Unless it's Donatra... Bloody hell she is annoying...

retrosrages 06-02-2013 06:17 PM

photonic shock wave, grav well, any gas type, epta, and sometime you don't even see the gas till your in it, with a brel your main line of defence is your cloak so yes I want it to work right, there should be ONE SKILL AND ONE ALONE that can decloak a ship not 4 or 5, and illcadia you mad bro?

patrickngo 06-02-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by illcadia (Post 10569971)
Yes, yes, let's make it so cloaks are an unbreakable shield of invincibility, and only people running that one- and let's make it a C-store console priced at a million bucks- skill can bypass it, and if they don't have it, then you're completely invincible.

Right?

No, screw that- and screw you. Yes, EPtAux is bugged. But they're fixing it. Cloaks are and always have been fragile- you take damage in cloak, or fly into a plasma cloud or do something stupid and it'll decloak. But make no mistake, that's your fault.

They caught the EPTA bug in Tribble, it made it to Holodeck anyway, and it complies to the demands of vocal minority of Fed players to nerf cloak, ergo...

I don't expect a fix any time soon.


as for the rest...


You're right in that the quantity of skills/powers to break a cloak are about right as they are (minus the bug in EPTA, which is probably going to be handled as a 'feature' soon. I don't have a lot of faith that they'll fix the math error since it gives an advantage to the Fed side of the ledger), flying a Cloaker is a skill, not an "I win button" and it should never be turned into an "I win" or "Easy" button.

In the meantime, take a chill, relax, go grab some sunlight and come back when you're not so easily riled, people ask for things they shouldn't get all the time, it's no big deal unless they start GETTING things they shouldn't get.

maicake716 06-02-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by retrosrages (Post 10572241)
photonic shock wave, grav well, any gas type, epta, and sometime you don't even see the gas till your in it, with a brel your main line of defence is your cloak so yes I want it to work right, there should be ONE SKILL AND ONE ALONE that can decloak a ship not 4 or 5, and illcadia you mad bro?

HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thats so funny.

what happens then if noone on the other team brings that "one" decloak ability? if the team without it screwed?


yep. totally fair right there.

patrickngo 06-02-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by maicake716 (Post 10573111)
HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thats so funny.

what happens then if noone on the other team brings that "one" decloak ability? if the team without it screwed?


yep. totally fair right there.

How many BoFFs do you have after you hit L50? I'll bet you've got a lot. More than you can possibly load onto the ship at any given time. How hard is it to have someone standing by in reserve in case you need one of those abilities? Not hard, one swap and now you've got it.

Hell, you can do it at lower levels too, and if you didn't pull one in the draw, you can always spend the EC and retrain 'em so you HAVE those abilities when you show up to PUG.

It's called being prepared-and if you refuse to be prepared, log into a PUG match, and nobody's got one? well...them's hte breaks. Bridge Officer abilities are among the EASIER things to change up before, or during a match. It's a hell of a lot tougher to change your (for a BoP very, very low) hull and shield numbers to become viable in stand-and-deliver shot trading, or increase the number of guns you have on the fly, etc. etc.

Flat being, if you're going to PUG pvp, you should have the flexibility to change a Bridge officer to fill a gap-esp. where you KNOW you're going to be facing at least one, if not more, Cloakers.

antoniosalieri 06-02-2013 08:35 PM

Having multiple ways to disable cloak is fine and good. You can learn to pilot around almost every one of the anti cloak skills. It should be a challenge to sneak around.

What you really can't do anything about is escorts and especialy the other teams cloaked ships running EPTA and seeing you 40k away. lol

Honestly until EPTA is fixed just go and level and gear your roms, if by the time you have that done Cryptic hasn't sorted it Rift goes F2P in a week or 2. lol

maicake716 06-02-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickngo (Post 10573381)
How many BoFFs do you have after you hit L50? I'll bet you've got a lot. More than you can possibly load onto the ship at any given time. How hard is it to have someone standing by in reserve in case you need one of those abilities? Not hard, one swap and now you've got it.

Hell, you can do it at lower levels too, and if you didn't pull one in the draw, you can always spend the EC and retrain 'em so you HAVE those abilities when you show up to PUG.

It's called being prepared-and if you refuse to be prepared, log into a PUG match, and nobody's got one? well...them's hte breaks. Bridge Officer abilities are among the EASIER things to change up before, or during a match. It's a hell of a lot tougher to change your (for a BoP very, very low) hull and shield numbers to become viable in stand-and-deliver shot trading, or increase the number of guns you have on the fly, etc. etc.

Flat being, if you're going to PUG pvp, you should have the flexibility to change a Bridge officer to fill a gap-esp. where you KNOW you're going to be facing at least one, if not more, Cloakers.

so basically youre telling me to learn to play, learn to adapt, be prepared for everything right?

shouldnt that also apply to the guy who is cloaking? :P


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