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jestersage 06-08-2013 10:58 PM

Importance of turn rate...
 
This question arise from a thread of ship selection - as in, how important are turn rate?Is the difference of 3 turnrate factor going to affect its effeciency in DPS?

skollulfr 06-08-2013 11:07 PM

turnrate is important because there is no compensation for it in this game.
none, nada, zip, zero.

when it comes to the dakka spam fest that this game is, dhc's are just better at doing damage, and keeping them lined up will mean more sustained high dps from those weapons.

the same for defence and use of abilities.
a "tac ship" thanks the the bull**** agility stats being offset by nothing,
is the only class of ship that can actually effectivly use half the abilities in the game. though many do have wider arcs now to let the discriminated classes use them a bit better.

same for abilities like psw and cpb. they only work under 3km. good luck using those in a slow heavy ship. though really, those are nerfed to nothing...

scurry5 06-08-2013 11:46 PM

I could not agree more. Turnrate, up to a certain point, is one of if not the most important stat for a ship, due to the importance of position in a match.

jbmaverick 06-08-2013 11:54 PM

Turn rate is important offensively because many offensive options have a limited cone of fire, such as Dual (Heavy) Cannons and torpedoes, as well as many of the better science powers. If you can't turn quickly enough to keep a target in front of you, your ability to use these options is reduced, which in turn reduces your damage output.

Turn rate is also somewhat important defensively because you have 4 shield quadrants to absorb damage. If you lose a shield facing and can't turn so that a different shield facing is presented to your attacker, you'll start taking damage directly to the hull. This is somewhat negated by the use of Tactical Team, which will very quickly begin redirected shield power from your other shield facings to the one that is being hit, but Tactical Team has downtime in most builds so you can't rely on it 100% of the time.

jestersage 06-08-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scurry5 (Post 10707931)
I could not agree more. Turnrate, up to a certain point, is one of if not the most important stat for a ship, due to the importance of position in a match.

Now you said "up to a certain point". So where does it get dropped off on average?

jbmaverick 06-08-2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jestersage (Post 10708001)
Now you said "up to a certain point". So where does it get dropped off on average?

That is likely to be a matter of opinion and also a matter of "what ship are you using and how and where are you using it?" In PvE, turn rate is somewhat important for keeping targets within your optimal targeting arc, but the AI isn't particularly smart, and AI ships generally aren't very agile, so turn rate has moderate importance. In PvP, you'll need a higher turn rate to keep up with the more agile targets, or to deal with concentrated fire on a single shield facing (see my above post), making it much more important in most circumstances in PvP than in PvE.

jestersage 06-09-2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jbmaverick (Post 10708041)
That is likely to be a matter of opinion and also a matter of "what ship are you using and how and where are you using it?" In PvE, turn rate is somewhat important for keeping targets within your optimal targeting arc, but the AI isn't particularly smart, and AI ships generally aren't very agile, so turn rate has moderate importance. In PvP, you'll need a higher turn rate to keep up with the more agile targets, or to deal with concentrated fire on a single shield facing (see my above post), making it much more important in most circumstances in PvP than in PvE.

I see. Thanks for the answers.

skollulfr 06-09-2013 12:02 AM

thats why i have started arguing less turn should result in more range.
it puts into the game a muchanism that directly accounts for agility.

oracion666 06-09-2013 12:24 AM

It really depends on the type of ship you want.

With escorts, turn rate is king. The higher the turn rate, the higher their defensive values, and the better you are at keeping your forward guns on the target.

For sci ships, turn rate is not as important, since a large selection of sci powers are omnidirectional, and beams are a choice of weapons.

Cruisers benefit least from turn rate, with their weapons, aside from special builds, being exclusively beam based.

chuckingram 06-09-2013 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmaverick (Post 10708041)
That is likely to be a matter of opinion and also a matter of "what ship are you using and how and where are you using it?" In PvE, turn rate is somewhat important for keeping targets within your optimal targeting arc, but the AI isn't particularly smart, and AI ships generally aren't very agile, so turn rate has moderate importance.

NPC's are agile enough to be a challenge, and smart enough to rebalance their shields after taking damage on particular vector, something many people here don't seem to understand. Cannon equipped escorts need a snappy turnrate due to the nature of cannons. Cruisers DON'T need turnrate as much for mostly for the same reason.

Hint: Fly a well-equipped cruiser for a few days to the exclusion of all else. Hopefully doing so will highlight their benefits and teach one to appreciate them for what they are, and not hate them because they aren't escorts.


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