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ltdata96 08-29-2013 07:07 AM

Too many Battle Cloakers in PvP
 
First of all: This is not a whiny "I want a Battlecloak on my Defiant/Gal-X" - Thread.
It's about Romulans and the advantages of their Battle Cloaks in PvP.
I decided to return to PvP after LoR launched after a long "PvP Break", and i recognised that the team with more romulans is usually the winning team (yeah i even saw a Fed-Rom Fleet T'vario team beat up Klingons)

It seems like the Battle Cloak is a significant Advantage in PvP (although i never PvPed with a Battle Cloaking ship myself), that was earlier only available to BoPs and they had to sacrifice lots of Hull, Shield strength and a Weapon slot for it, compared to ships with a standard cloak/no cloak.

Now with the Romulans you have ships that have Battle Cloaks AND full hull/shield strength and a 4/3 (Yes even 5/3) Weapons layout, and they have to give up NOTHING for it (i dont see the Sing cores as a disadvantage in this case, since you get the Sing abilities in exchange for some energy) i see Feds and even Klingons fall behind in competitive combat.

I've got a great example for this, let's just compare the Fleet Ha'feh Assault Warbird (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Ha%27feh_Assault_Warbird) to the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Tactical_Escort_Retrofit)
The Fleet Ha'Feh has 1.1k more Hull, 0.99 Shields (compared to 0.9) , an (Integrated!) Battle Cloak, More Crew and a more useful BOFF layout at the expense of ... 1 Turn and 30 Inertia, Srsly!?

2nd Example: Fleet T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_T%27v...rbird_Retrofit) against the B'rel Fleet Bird-of-Prey Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/B%27rel_Fle...-Prey_Retrofit)

Okay, let's go...
The T'vario has ...
... 5k(!) More hull, 0.11 more Shields, okay, it has less turn rate i admit, one more boff (yeah the b'rel is universal, but anyways...) and the better console layout...

my 3rd Example was the Scimitar (because the Shields-while-cloaked console is another HUGE advantage) vs the Gal-X (the Fed ship that comes closest to the Scim), but i recognise that's ridiculous, so i leave it out.

EDIT: I want to add one more thing i forgot (the most annoying one and probably the most unfair advantage): They can cloak whenever they want, even if i get someone down to let's say 10% hp, he battle cloaks, heals again and never died (with luck i could get him with a HY torp, but its likely that it's not available in that moment or that it's a scimitar with shield-cloak)

In my opinion this is a MASSIVE balancing issue, that most players don't even recognise because they don't PvP.

Please Comment and Discuss, any comments are welcome, also those against my opinion, but please no Rage/Spam comments :)

havam 08-29-2013 07:12 AM

Sorry to be so blunt: WAD.

Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.

OP by design.

ltdata96 08-29-2013 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by havam (Post 12169771)
Sorry to be so blunt: WAD.

Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.

OP by design.

I don't even want to start discussing all unbalance given to Roms (starting from Traits to free Crit/Cloak - Boffs) that would take too long, i would just like to hear if other (FED) PvP players also share my opinion /don't share it (and why they don't) :)

dalolorn 08-29-2013 07:26 AM

As you yourself stated in the OP... don't care. :P

Do I see it, though? *nods in response to his own question*

jellico1 08-29-2013 07:30 AM

with the Massive crit chance a romulan has about 50% more overall DPS on Avg any class

plus battle cloak without using a console slot

A better singularity core over the std core's

Double the amout of duty officers you can recruit for free

overall better ships and Boff layouts except maybe in science

It is clear cryptic wants everyone to roll new characters buy new ships to remain competitive because your old Fed and klingon characters ae now inferior in almost every way to the new romulan characters in space

many in our fleet are close too 10K avg Dps some over 10k dps with there romulans ships
Romulans in some lock box ships are much higher in dps

Crit chance is WAY out of hand

Go romulan or go home

adverbero 08-29-2013 07:43 AM

the thing that pisses me off is i can't blind fire at them

The number of times i KNOW where they are still and am not allowed to fire, i just wish i was allowed to hit Fire at will and have a full ventral phaser spread , and i should be aloud to fire a single torpedo at whatever i hit in the spread


in my opinion it would somewhat reduce the ability to hide in cloak near to your target and pounce on them , giving some limited balance back in favor of the non cloaking player

darthpetersen 08-29-2013 07:47 AM

Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?

stardestroyer001 08-29-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthpetersen (Post 12170571)
Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?

Only if the cloak in question is NOT a Battle Cloak (Defiant or Gal-X cloak, for example). Battle cloaks can still finish their cloaking cycle regardless of being hit or not.

ltdata96 08-29-2013 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 (Post 12170601)
Only if the cloak in question is NOT a Battle Cloak (Defiant or Gal-X cloak, for example). Battle cloaks can still finish their cloaking cycle regardless of being hit or not.

And that's the point, they can escape, even if theyre heavily damaged, if i am, i can run away but they'll chase me, and i have (nearly) no chance to escape... And that makes the whole thing frustrating

shadowwraith77 08-29-2013 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthpetersen (Post 12170571)
Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?

Yes but it requires you to have to knock out their aux power completely to 0.


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