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# 47
07-19-2013, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post
The Saber replaced the Miranda.
Wrong on so many bloody levels. But since you can't seem to understand that, let's go through them one by one.

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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post

Back during TOS the Miranda was a front line cruiser of the day similar to the galaxy/Nebula comparison.

During TNG the Miranda was reduce from long range exploration and tactical missions to more shorter range patrol/escort and science missions within the federation borders. It's role has changed over time.
Which is absolutely not the mission profile of the Saber. She has no scientific capability nor was she built for long range, extended travel.

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As for the defiant it's tiny. Smaller than the Saber and smaller than Miranda.
Both the Defiant and Saber classes have variable sizes depending on your source. Defiant went from 120-170m while the Saber went from 140-220m. That's right, those two ranges overlap.

Now let's complicate it even further: the Miranda has multiple described dimensions. Its range is 180-280m.


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It's a powerful engine surrounded by weapons, armor and shields. Very little scientific research equipment on board.
The Defiant-class is a warship in all but name. Why exactly are you surprised it doesn't come with Bill Nye as standard equipment?

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The Saber and the Nova were now more routinely assigned to these missions more and more as the Miranda class is being phased out.
Incorrect again. The Nova class is explicitly described as a short range vessel built for short term planetary research.

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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post
The Intrepid class took more long range scientific and tactical missions but by this time Galaxy's and Nebula's were filling this role. Intrepid class was to compliment the flagships without needing as many resources and crew to man. It had the same Mk X phasers the galaxy had.
You're making my point for me. The Galaxy->Intrepid relationship is nearly identical to the Constitution->Miranda relationship. Which would mean therefore that, by your logic, the Saber and Intrepid classes should fulfill nearly identical roles.

Except of course that they blatantly don't.

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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post
Starfleet was working on the Akira, Nova, Saber, Steamrunner even before the borg threat. The Defiant, Sovereign and Promethious were direct results of the borg threat. Now the previous mentioned were constructed to modernize the fleet and were given more offensive and defensive capabilities bc of the borg, dominion etc
Please continue to confuse "tinkering with a design in our spare time" to "fast-tracking production due to an impending invasion by cyborg hostiles". The Akira and Saber classes were both initially just thought exercises that were significantly re-tooled into functional combat ships. The Nova was originally envisioned to replace the Galaxy as a long-range explorer, but was changed into a short-range science craft with minimal combat capabilities. The Steamrunner was originally a light patrol frigate and cargo hauler that became a heavy combat frigate.

Secondly, the Prometheus was designed to be a next-generation long-range tactical and exploration vessel. Basically an over-armed Intrepid geared for ass-kicking on the border. It wasn't built to counter any specific threat.

Thirdly, of the ships in the Anti-Borg design grouping the Defiant-class is the only ship to begin its design cycle after Wolf 359, and then only because SFE called in Sisko to build them a warship. Every other ship had it's role and capabilities significantly altered to counter the new threat.

The Saber is included in that group. She was built to fight, not fly around exploring, doing research or hauling cargo. Which is exactly what the Miranda did.

Last edited by stirling191; 07-19-2013 at 12:54 PM.