Tipping point: Cheese vs OP vs Both
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Join Date: Jul 2012
09-14-2013, 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by
I guess I didn't really answer your question then.
Just to elaborate
Premade with 3 or more sci captains can chain SNB on target under focus fire, making heals and other resist buffs useless. Doesn't take a lot of skills for 5 sci captain to manage this, so it's kinda cheesy.
My second point concerned the romulan faction. I think they are overpowered with their combination of stats. I could go on listing all of them but these ones are the most flagrant.
-stackable superior romulan operative and subterfuge (perfect cloak and high crit damage on decloak)
-singularity jump that has multiple abilities embedded within itself (escape, placate, aoe hold)
-battle cloak without any drawbacks to their hull and shield point.
These 3 points above are the most offensive/obvious to me.
Good, good. Feel free to keep going on it. Though looking back, what I should have really said is, 'Talk about what things you consider OP or cheese, but focus on WHY those things are OP or cheese.'
Anyways, some things I feel are OP, cheese, or both, and why that is the case:
Cheese but not OP: Aceton Assimilators.
Why: Honestly, these aren't as bad as they once were IMO. The 'cheese' factor from them really only applies due to the oddly short CD the console has (though if that's changed in the past weeks, let me know) compared to other things, but they aren't as bad as they once were. Still cheese, but much less an issue (IMO of course) in today's game, makes a great spam-clearer with all the junk that is available nowadays.
Cheese due to a bug/exploit/broken, but not OP: D'kora EMP Burst
Why: We all know about the A2B bug that lets you reduce the CD on the D'kora's EMP Burst. By itself, it's a potent, useful ability, good to punish someone who stays on your tail too long, but only really is cheese due to that bug. If that bug is ever fixed, it becomes little to no issue since it is still a D'kora only ability.
OP but not cheese: Elite fleet shields.
Why: Because I feel like they've pretty much negated every other shield out there, unless you absolutely have to have a full set on a ship, elite shields are simply the way to go compared to anything else. They provide a heaping ton of essentially free resists to everything, and have put all energy weapons into basically two groups, 'ResA' vs. 'ResB'
OP due to a bug/exploit/broken, but not cheese: Subterfuge stacking.
Why: They shouldn't stack, but they do again for some reason, providing a huge amount of Stealth bonuses for Romulan toons for no drawbacks at all, giving them insanely strong cloaks which they really shouldn't have. (Though even if that was fixed again, I'd still argue that Romulan BOFFs would still be OP due to other effects)
Both: Graviton Pulse
Why: I know a lot were probably expecting this one. But it is both cheese and OP. It stays at only the cheese level when you don't spec the console, it's a potent debuff, can be argued that it is cheese, but the debuff doesn't last a massively long time, and can be handled. Add in the spec, and all of a sudden that few seconds turns into 20, 30, even 50+ seconds. A whole team with even a 20 second GPG can keep it up on a person a ton, and simply overwhelm most people and the amount of Engy teams they actually have in a short amount of time. It CAN be beaten, but it isn't easy.
Both due to a bug/exploit/broken: Embassy DOFFs (when they were broken of course)
Why: Those little buggers were pretty popular for the time they were broken, huh? Basically a permanent A2Bx2 level CD reduction on EVERYTHING (even captain powers and other extra powers) which was truly cheese and OP to the Nth level.
(The other one I would've put here was going to be Voldy, but that felt like it would've been cliche)
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