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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 23
02-06-2010, 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by The_Rabbit
Really? You can look at these forums and think that there is no problem? You're one of two people then:

A fed who plays exclusively in capture and hold matches.

A kling who plays exclusively in deathmatches.

Because those are the two groups that are content with PvP right now.

Whether or not you think there is a "problem" has no bearing at all on what the rest of the playerbase considers to be a problem, you are merely the minority.
The problem with PvP is nowhere NEAR as bad as the whiners are making it up to be. Yes, there are a lot of whiners on the forums complaining about it. But that is nowhere near the majority of players are you say. Typically the people who whine about the way things are, are the people who come here and post about it. How many different people do you see here complaining? It seems like a lot because people who don't have a problem don't go out of their way to say they are happy with things. This is how any forum based feedback or review system works. People don't feel they need to give feedback if there is not a problem, or they are happy with things the way they are. Take for example apartment review sites, 90% of the people there are trashing the apartments, because they had problems, so they want everyone to know they are unhappy. So, until there are hundreds of thousands of people here whining, then YOU are the minority. The only reason I'm here posting about this is because I'm sitting in class listening to a boring lecture

Now, as far as the source of your complaints. Either your tactics are flawed, or you pug all the time. I play on the klingon side, and I always PVP in a premade with my fleet. Now 80% of the time we end up playing against fed pugs. So, it doesn't matter if the feds have flying fortresses and the klingons are shooting spit wads...the klinks have an advantage of organization. When you have an organized group communicating on vent playing an unorganized group not talking to each other...yes the klinks will win. I have played in a few pugs myself when no one else is around to PVP with. And I lose the vast majority of them. Organization, communication, and tactics are key.

That being said, most people who play klinks are there for PVP, since klink PVE does not exist. So it goes to reason they are generally more organized. I'm not saying all feds pug, but the majority of the teams I play are pugs. You can tell because one will impulse away from the others, they can be baiting by one uncloaked klink ship, or when we engage the ball, they all just tab and hit different targets.

Now, as far as the escort whiners. Fed escorts are tougher than bops... Yes they are weaker than cruisers and science vessels, but they are supposed to be. If there are as tough as a cruiser and do more damage, then why would you play a cruiser? Yes, klinks will target escorts at the first of any engagement because they do the most damage, and die the fastest. Its logical, its called tactics. All you have to do is turn that disadvantage into an advantage. If you know escorts will be targeted first, have everyone else be prepared to spam heal them. Once the klinks alpha strike and rapid fire or whatever else dps abilities they are using expire, their damage goes down immensely. So, now you have the advantage because bops have paper shields.

The problem with PVP is not ship or player balance, its tactics. You can develop tactics to win any battle. With proper organization and communication you have an advantage. Use your brain and develop tactics, don't expect the devs to give into your complaints and make you more powerful so all you have to do is tab and face roll. Each faction has an advantage in certain situations, it is up to you to develop tactics to turn the battle in your favor, if every ship and every situation was the exact same, and everyone had the same tools at their disposal, then what fun would that be?

I apologize for rambling so long, but as I said...I'm bored in class and I'm just trying to address all the points in this thread.