Please make a Sovereign Refit to the battleship its suppose to be!
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Join Date: Dec 2007
10-24-2010, 04:40 PM
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I am fiercly against Federaqtion Battleships and Carriers.
The Federation and Starfleet should never ever build warships (the Defiant was a big mistake and should never be introduced), it should be better than that.
But i think many players just don't care about Federation/Starfleet philosophy.
I even think that the Federation should concentrate on perfecting Star Cuiser classes.
I know many people have differing opinions on what would be considered appropriate for A "peace loving" culture, such as the Federation, But I do disagree with the sentiment that Star fleet should never build war ships. I would like to take you through my reasoning why, and apply it to a stand point of both learning from history, and what a real Stellar empire, even a peace loving one would do.
The primary goal of any society is survival, if you lack the power to guarantee your continued existence, then your culture is doomed form the beginning, this is doubly true for any peaceful, culture. If you are not at least as strong if not stronger then your enemies, or those who wish you harm, then you can never hope to beat them and prevail. Now, I always thought of the Federation, while militarily more peaceful, an entity that was trying to conquer the galaxy, not through war, but through economics. They seek co-existence with all life, becasue they feel all life has a right to live, but co-existence requires might to reinforce. The Federation is, and will always seek a peaceful end to any hostilities, as any fight, no matter how justified, or necessary comes at a high price.
However, and I love who star fleet go around this, you still need a military might. A police force of sorts for trouble spots, but more importantly, a competent "stick". "Speak softly, but carry a big stick" is by far one of greatest quotes and sums up the idea of any peaceful society. Don't start fights, don't cause trouble, be kind and look for ways to make both sides happy, but always be ready to back up your side with force in order to prevent unnecessary conflict, and more importantly, to safe guard your way of life. The federation found a nice comprise to having a dedicated war fleet, and a dedicated peace core, and that is to combine the two into one. A powerful warship with peaceful exploration also in mind is brilliant.
Not only are your ships capable of defending them selves, but also second as a competent war ship in times of need, with out having to force into production a war ship after the call of conflict and suffer from a lack of experienced crew. A battle ship is a heavier class of war ship, just as cruiser is above frigates and escorts. Star fleet has always had it share of large war capable vessels, including several variations on battle ships and dreadnoughts. There is a canon version of a constitution styled (three engined) dreadnought in the old technical manuals that document the Federation and Star fleet from the original shows and a behinds the look at what the show was about form the creators.
Even the U.S. outside of times of war maintains a strong military might. We politically are not conquerors, though some of our opposition would like to convince us of that, but we do realize that we need to stay ahead of any threat other wise we sub come to them. If any one wants to call the federation a Hippocrates, simply becasue they have war capable ships, they are already looking to challenge them, but could use other examples like the wars it had with the dominion, the Borg, or even the Klingons back in their time, regardless of the truth. (And a funny thing was, the Klingon and federation peace was something neither side really wanted [watch the 6th movie]) but The federation can also just simply justify it in one of two ways.
1) All are ships are war capable becasue any empire that wishes to survive in a hostile environment where even one entity wishes to subjugate and destroy another poses a threat to the innocent lives of a peaceful society, but those entities are also not likely to give us the same chance we would them if our might happens to be weaker then theirs. (again the speak softly but carry a big stick)
2) Most of our ships are designed to perform secondary, peaceful roles of exploration and diplomacy, while being able to defend them selves. However, any purely military vessel (this is in reference to the defiant mostly) is used to safe guard and patrol our own boarder and are a necessary evil, to safe guard our way of life. We may have pure warships, but they are not deployed on mission of conquest but rather intelligence and in cases of unavoidable conflict as a fighting force.
Any stellar entity understands the value of a pure military force, as each entity has one, but it's less of you having them and more of how you use them that will define how other entities will look at you. If you don't use your "defiants", battleships, and carriers to expand your border or use them to bully others, that will show any others that you are honorable, and yet they also know you can defend them and their interest if they did become allied with you.
I know I ranted pretty long here, but after playing many different "space Empire" Sim games and studying empires as a whole, I do have a bit of experience with trying to emulate a peaceful empire. Treaties are hard to forge, and if you are to be one of the strongest and survive, you need both the capabilities to secure victory in case of war and offer assistance to those you want as allies. I have never once won a game, even of a race to peace, with out fighting, and ultimately, their have been a few empires that I had to crush just to maintain peace with others. Sad but true.
I admire the Federation and it's principles, however I also know that the vision a lot of people have about it is not entirely accurate, and sometimes seems weak, becasue other have made it seem like they give in to others demands and not get involved when they should have. (Good example is several instances in the Path to 2409) Of course this is how I see the Federation. Strong capable, wise, and while favoring peaceful resolution, will fight and defend them selves if they are forced to.
After all, Name a time where a captain hasn't fired back when attacked simply becasue they didn't get direct orders from command to defend them selves.