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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 44
11-29-2010, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lariat
Just for the hell of it, if you are curious take a look at the profile of people (claydermunch) who say "No" to carriers or battleships or any other sort of Federation upgrade. Hit, "search for more posts." Then take a look at what the neigh sayer has been discussing. Usually the neigh sayers are involved in multiple threads of such topics, with the consistent theme of "no, we don't want any." Looks like attempts to drown out helpful suggestions.

Sorry bub, but you ain't "we" no matter how many times you chime in.
No amount of posts will change these 2 facts:


- Pet spam is a nuisance to many, both in terms of UI related problems (targeting) and in terms of performance issues.

- Giving the federation a pet spammer itself does not only NOT help the above, but it also does not help the perceived imbalance aspect.
Both sides having carriers does not mean its balanced. Its not like one carrier can negate the presence of another. You just have 2 pet sources ruin the day for many people. The pets system needs only a few tweaks, not a totally blunt, misplaced hammer blow. (the pets basically do way to much kinetic damage, resulting in almost instant death once your shields buckle. THAT needs to be addressed.)


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Originally Posted by UFP-Magnis View Post
like i said before the federation did not have battleship because of ideals. The borg is and has always been the most dangerous threat to the federation beyond all other threats. I understand you wanting to compare the federation to us. but thats the wrong mind set. we are not the federation. two different sides of the coin. think out of the box rather then trying to build large ships. the federation is not about large ships but ships with purpose. after the defiant look how the federation became agile and modern. They didnt want big ships but ships with a surpose and survivability. a big ship means a big huge target. easy to assimilate and give massive drones. the galaxy has a capacilty of 1000 persons. Think about it people. the larger the ship the more persons you need and that is not something starfleets wants or needs.


sigh... The Federation always had battleships. They never called them Battleships, but they were there. Remember how often Kirk got into fights? If he only had some lamearse science ship he would have gotten pwned hard so many times. The Enterprise stood up to the FINEST IN WARSHIPS that the Klingons and romulans could field.
The finest. Dedicated warships. And The Constitution reigned over em all.

The Federation does not build single purpose warships, yes, but it builds warships capable of science work. There is absolutely no argument against the fact that while the Federation likes peace more than war, it IS very well capable of waging war. We could observe that on TV. Klingions, romulans, cardassians, minor powers (zenketi), they ALL tried to chew on the Feds at one time or another. And they all got rebuffed - not because diplomacy but because of the iron fist that starfleet CAN be.

The Federation has already proven that its capable of building superior vessels, and it has proven that they WILL build single purpose ships as required.


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Originally Posted by UFP-Magnis View Post
They didnt want big ships but ships with a surpose and survivability. a big ship means a big huge target. easy to assimilate and give massive drones. the galaxy has a capacilty of 1000 persons. Think about it people. the larger the ship the more persons you need and that is not something starfleets wants or needs.
wrong. Size does not go in hand with crew requirements. clever Design can reduce the need for people.

As for size and huge targets:

Welcome to space. Where being a huge hunk of MASS can serve you well.


Look at the galaxy.
Its sheer bulk give it some resilience. You would have to punch through several layers of decks to hit critical systems. Just remember how Akiras, warbirds, Excelsiors got their faces smashed in in the invasion of chintoka, while the Galaxys that were hit kept on trucking without slowing down...
Or The initial engagement between the USS Odyssey and the 3 jem'hadar ships. The jem hadar gave the odyssey a pummeling but the ship still was capable to make its escape, since the damage it has taken, so far, was superficial. (Seeing as the Odysses shields were useless and its weapons somehow not being effective, its actually quite a feat for the ship to being able to leisurely swing around to warp out.).

The thing that finally got the Odyssey were several hundred thousand metric tons of jem hadar ship crashing into the Odyssey at impulse speeds (aka: really friggin fast) and the subsequent warpcore explosion of said jem'hadar ship (and the impulse reactors, and weapon on board).

A bigger ship also means more room for power generation, more redundant systems, more room dedicated to offense and defense.

Size, as they say, does matter. And it matters a lot especially in star trek.