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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 16
06-09-2011, 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by RCO
It still a refit vessel. It did not get any additional weapons.
It's a refit in name only, as a marketing ploy and an excuse for its price. It's Console set up is the same, its crew is the same, its hull is the same, its impulse turn rate, and inertia ratings are the same, its weapon set up is the same. It's not a refit. All that is different is the BOFF set up and an overpriced console. Outside that BOFF set up and Console, it remains identical to the other Advanced escort, that means it lacks what makes a Refit a Refit.

Originally Posted by RCO
Guess I had issue with present my argument. The other t4 to t5 refit all gain a weapon because there T5 count parts gain a weapon. Ie a T4 escort has one less weapon then a t5 escort.

Science t4 ships have the same numbers as Science T5 vessels. So by giving a t5 refit an extra weapon you are not making one refit more power then any other refit.
Ok, that does make your point more clear. However you're wording here 'you are not making one refit more powerful than any other refit' is confusing. Are you agreeing that giving it an extra slot is not making it more powerful, did you do a common typo and meant now and typed not? I'm confused.

And lets go back a bit. You pointed out that the T5 retro has the same weapons as the T5 norms. Well the T5 norms has the same weapons as a T4. See that flaw? Cruisers and Escorts all gain an extra weapon slot at the transition of T4 to T5, Science does not. The standard power and maneuverability and other buffs that happen from T4 to T5 happen with it as they do all the other classes of ship, but unlike the others, T5 Science ships gain no extra offensive capabilities to deal with endgame level enemies where as Escorts and Cruisers do.

Originally Posted by RCO
If I chose to fly a Escort with beams. Which by the way I have one. That escort would do about the same damage as science vessel if you gave the science vessel an extra weapon slot. In fact the science vessel because of the 33% damage buff would most likely do More damage if the two are equip with the same weapons. Perhaps a cannon escort would dps a cruiser but not by much. As for turn rate. The Refit escort have turn rate of 17 for the defiant and 15 for MVA. The intrepid refit has a turn rate of 12. that only a 5 turn rate difference.

Also with four cannon up front and four turret in rear you Lose way to much weapons power to do max dps.
The choice to fly an escort with beams is not part of the equation. Yes if you take an Escort and an Intrepid with a forth fore slot and equipped them with the same weapons they would produce similar DPS. However running an Escort with beams is not going with its maximum DPS potential, so it doesn't invalidate the argument. If a Science could run dual and dual heavies then yes it could match an Escort in DPS potential but since it can't it never will. An escort will always be able to be fitted to do more DPS.