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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 37
02-10-2012, 05:34 AM
Not sure I understand the question.

Are you asking for a list of fed players that can actually win (because they aren't suck tastic?) or are you asking for a list of Fed players who lose constantly cause they are suck tastic?

If the former that list can be short.. but then at this point the KDF list is equally if not more short.
If the latter well.... 99 percent of the population can't pvp for ****(

To the OP, KDF are not overpowered you can ask anyone that pvps regularly which side I roll the most and it ain't KDF. Infact, mounting DHCs on a Neghvar, and Vorcha is really only good for the lulz. Sure my tac kdf side rolls with DHCs. Cause well. He's kind of a lolz toon. He comes in, dumps DHC fire in, bops come in behind on alpha target gets vaped and he warp plases the flield then struggles to bring the Guns to bear on anything resembling a fast ship that's still alive. I use him pretty much exclusively to learn new flying techniques to apply to my much faster and much better fed mains. The vorcha's Inertia (and it's the only cruiser I'd mount DHCs on... and it's still a joke) is utterly Horrible. The ship is a big pig, it starts the turn and then can easily stall out, and really it doesn't change direction going forward very well at all. Now if they would give it the Excelsiors amazing inertia it would be a much better tac ship. But cryptic won't do that. Cause one they are lolcryptic and two it's lolcryptic with klinks. And klinks don't get good stuff out side of the Cstore.

If I were truly serious, he'd have beams and dbbs. Said Vorcha has less shields than an Assault Cruiser or Excelsior.

By the way the Excelsior is the best tac cruiser hands down in the game if you are out to kill people in a cruiser. That LT Cmdr tac station is -amazing-. It's got a lil bit of a glass jaw vs the Assault Cruiser (cause that LTC eng slot is also amazing) Or just less healing over all than the AC.

Sure the Neghvar is better than a Failaxy Retrofit.... but look at what the ship is. It's a Failaxy. Or at least it appears to be. Here's the problem though.. Sure the Neg can mount DHCs.... But it's turn rate and more importantly it's Inertia score are still so bad that it's even more lolworthy than when a Vorcha does it. Meaning it has to use beams.... just like a Failaxxy. Which means that "awesome" (lol) turn rate? Means nothing.

Now let's examine the bop. Four Universal stations, far less shields and far less hull than anything else in the game with the 2nd best turn rate. Oh it also has less consoles. I can't even begin to tally the number of bops I've chewed up and spit out on my first or second pass with an Escort. Good bops maybe get 3 before they need to run off and try to battle cloak before I or someone else finishes the job. Infact, honestly in a straight up shields comparison, BOPS don't have much more shields than a Shuttle. (at least the Delta Flyer) The brel might actually have the shields of a shuttle, I know it's hull points is awful close. I've popped a brel in 1 shot from a beam overload 1 from a shuttle before. Glass Jaw is not a wide enough term for the poor brel.

Sure they are great on that initial hit and pass... after that though the bop really loses out. Especially if the fed team doesn't suck (like 99 percent of the feds do) and there's actual healing going around... not just some stupid idiot in a zombie cruiser.

Raptor vs Defiant vs Fleet Escort vs Advanced Escort...
Let's see, it's turn rate is worse than a Defiants. Equal to the FE's and AEs... however the FE doesn't suffer from having it's turning axis squarely in it's **** like the Raptor.. same deal as the Defiant. The AE on the other hand does suffer that. The Fleet Escort has a far superior bridge officer layout as well. It also has worse shields than all of the above. And shields is by far the most important stat in the game defensively. It does have a superior console layout to the defiant... but it's a big fat ******* compared to a hummingbird with razorblades strapped to it. It's so slow. Too slow.

Now let's throw in the Advanced Multivector Escort... LTC Sci.. which many people mistakenly believe is the best. It's not. You lose quite abit of punch in the mVAM vs AE for more control, or durability. the MVAM isn't a bop. It's role is completely different. The MVAM is otherwise equal to the AE. so it's still a better ship than the silly raptor.

Now lets activate the AE/MVAM console.... any advantage the Raptor has is now completely negated by superior power levels, turn rate, and speed for slightly lower hull points and still better shield points. And that's in Alpha command. Let alone beta command which puts the things turn rate on par with a BOP that's running an RCS.

Carriers.. true the KDF does have carriers... but we feds have Sci Ships which are just plain better (short of the carriers running the lol siphon drain fighters.. then carriers are about even). From bridge officers to turn rates, to Inertia, to shield strength.