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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 79
03-15-2012, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Shook-Yang
Okay, well according to the Star Trek: Starship Spotter photo technical guide, which was worked on by folks who worked on Voyager, the Defiant had mark XII phaser cannons (while the Prometheus and Sovereign have mark XII arrays). Galaxy, Akira, Intrepid, Sabre, and Nebula (as well as more TNG era star ships) had mark X. DS9 had mark XI.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phaser
But, it's still not canon unless it's on said on TV.
i accept those sources of information. soft canon filling in the holes in hard canon. and yes the emitter marks of those ships im aware of.

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Originally Posted by Shook-Yang
I watched the episode again, as I hadn't seen that episode since it was originally aired. Keldon had shields, and the phaser cannons penetrated it in one volley. Keldon fired back a few times. Defiant turned around and fired 4 quantum torps. First 2 quantum torps missed, but did exploded with enough force to slightly move the ship. The 2nd torp volley hit the tail end and disabled the ship. The Defiant was about to run and continue their mission when they got hailed by Dukat and Sisko.
ah. memory alpha specifically mentioned 6 quantums for some reason. if a nebula class could destroy a galor in 1 volley, like it did in the episode The Wounded, it could proboly destroy a keldorn in a volley and a half.

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Originally Posted by Shook-Yang
When the Defiant was running back to the closest Galor-class ship to surrender, it was being pursued by the remaining 2 Keldon-class ships. During that pursuit, Dukat notes that those were the fastest Keldon's he's ever seen and questioned what was going on in that Obsidian Order controlled space. Since it was established later that the Tal Shiar was involved with the Obisidian Order, it would appear that the Keldon's received much more than a cloaking device.
romulans arent know for their high warp speeds, till nemisis, but a year or 2 earlier a warbird practically destroyed its engines to keep up with the enterprise D in the episode tin man. they were beefed up cardasian ships, but that's all we know for sure.


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Originally Posted by Shook-Yang
Yes, the size give it an advantage is the amount of damage it can take (referencing Star Trek: Generations). But, at that cost of maneuverability and smaller profile. The Galaxy-class ship is meant for exploration. Obviously, it is designed to protect it's self and it's 1000 passengers. However, it is not a designated escort/warship.

The Defiant-class is built to fight. Nothing else. If they wanted canon fodder, they would send in Mirandas.
cannon fodder and expendable are not the right words. they are simply a more cost effective way to deal with an enemy that's nearly impossible to stop conventionally. or any other enemy. if the federation was more war like the majority of their starfleet would be made up of defiants, like the klingons with their BOPs or the dominion with their bug ships. instead they have mostly larger multi purpose ships, with few or no small attack ships. the dominan and klingons have the right idea for waging war, the federation was going to copy it using the defiant against the borg.

the galaxy actually maneuvers quite well, we see it from a full stop do a180 and go to warp in about 3 seconds in a ton of episodes. but it doesn't really need maneuverability in a fight, unless its trying to put itself between another ship like in yesterdays enterprise. the great thing about arrays is that they can fire their strongest shots anywhere they have line of sight, nearly 360 degrees. the torpedoes are tracking weapons too, regardless of the direction they point when fired they can maneuver to hit their target. ships that use cannons need maneuverability to line up their near arc-less gun barrels.

from all the hard and soft canon information i can find, it seems the galaxy class was designed to do everything, with so much of its interior modular it can be refit to serve as a science vessel or a warship. during its design phase the federation was involved in at least 3 wars, the tzenkethi, tholian and cardasian, that one was still going on till about the 4th season of tng. this notion that the galaxy was designed during peace time thing is incorrect. sisko mentions serving during the last tzenkethi war, riker's dad was the only survivor of a starbase destroyed during a tholian war, and the cardasian war ending with the creation of the dmz. it likely ended when the federation started fielding galaxy and nebula class and started stomping cardasian mudholes with them. something the enterprise D just didn't take part of, it seemed to hang out along the romulan border mostly in the early seasons.

the enterprise D is all the federation's ideals in ship form, were crews and their families live in luxury as they explore and make science and whatever, its a gilded flagship. theres no reason to believe every galaxy was like that, the ds9 tech manual says they weren't during the dominian war, most of the modular space was left empty. by then the production staff were commenting on how stupid it was to have the ship full of children, and how they wanted to phase out all that carebear stuff. they were making the star trek universe more dark and the galaxy class in the form we know looks absurd in that universe. given all that, i think the D was more of a one off, and during and after the dominian war the general galaxy was a much different ship.

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Originally Posted by Shook-Yang
My point has always been that what is seen on TV or the movies is canon. Even if the canon doesn't make sense. The problem with having a multiple TV shows around the same period of time, is that you are bound to have contradictions. For instance, sometimes a single, simple photon torpedo can destroy a ship in one shot. Sometimes it takes a lot. It really all comes down to entertainment value. One on one battles can make for an exciting battle. Not so much in fleet actions when there's hundreds of ships involved.
yes i remember in early tng riker warned that if they fired a single torpedo at such a close target it could destroy the enterprise. lolwut?