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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 102
03-17-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kimmera
Warping away only works if you don't enter the Neutral Zone at all, which is akin to not taking the test. In the Scenario you can't tell the Freighter's situation until you are already deep in the Neutral Zone. There is no time for diplomacy, the Klingons decloak and open fire. They do not even accept surrender offers.
Wrong, wrong on so many levels that I'll just let this quote speak for itself:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Memory Alpha
In 2285, in the simulated bridge, the cadet was placed in command of the USS Enterprise on patrol near the Klingon Neutral Zone. The starship would receive a distress signal from the Kobayashi Maru, a civilian freighter that had been disabled in the zone after having struck a gravitic mine. If the cadet chose to enter the neutral zone in violation of treaties, the starship would be confronted by three Klingon K't'inga-class battle cruisers. The test was considered a no-win scenario because it was impossible for the cadet to simultaneously save the Kobayashi Maru, avoid a fight with the Klingons and escape from the neutral zone with the starship intact. A cadet's choice of how to handle the rescue operation gave great insight into his or her command decision-making.
There is no set single possible course of action in the original test. It is completely up to the cadet how he wants to handle the situation.

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Originally Posted by kimmera
You are changing the fundamental parameters, and thus changing the test, in other words, 'cheating.' Your cheats still all result in various levels of loss, but you are cheating nonetheless.
No I'm not. Get your facts straight before making such unsupported claims.
* Kirk reprogrammed the simulation to make the Klingons believe he was a famous captain.
* Chekov self-destructed the ship to destroy the Klingon vessels.
* Scott tricked the simulation into believing in a purely theoretical attack that would never work practically.
* Sulu decided to not violate the Neutral Zone given the consequences (the probability to plunge the Federation into an all out war with the Klingons just to save the crew of a freighter).

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Originally Posted by kimmera
The test scenario is deliberately flawed to be unfair. The purpose is to see how the cadet handles loss, not to see how creative they are in a tough situation.
Reading comprehension? Where have I said anything about the tutorial Kobayashi Maru not being unfair and unwinnable? And again, wrong information...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Memory Alpha
... It was primarily used to assess a cadet's discipline, character and command capabilities when facing an impossible situation as there is no one answer to the problem. ...


Anyway, you've convinced me. I realize that I'm tilting at windmills here and will stop wasting my time here. You are so stuck up and grasping for straws that you completely lose focus of what this thread was intended to do. You don't even remotely consider the options but waste your and my time with senseless arguments. "Only a sith thinks in absolutes" and your pov is about as absolute as it can get.