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# 105
07-31-2012, 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by lazarus51166 View Post
you can stop making excuses for him now. he isn't stupid. he knows exactly what hes doing. no intent you say? how about those +1 ships he claimed had no advantages over the normal ships? how about claiming he was playing a FE that didn't exist? how about 'we're bringing the KDF up to par soon! honest!?' how about the 'we're not going free to play! honest!' how about 'no no you won't see anything taken away from subscribers when we go free to play...' and how about 'season 4 will be great! now excuse me while I jump ship to another company while this all blows over so I don't get blamed for it'

now do I really have to list more examples? seeing a pattern here? I sure am.

tell me you don't think thats a good thing

I don't believe that for a second. you would have to believe that the EP would not understand what he can do with the resources available to him in order to believe that explanation. if that were the case it would imply he has no idea how to do that job correctly and has no place doing it. what does that say about him for continuing to do it anyway and the company for putting him in that position twice?

so you don't care if someone lies to you? including those you are doing business with? first off this is exactly why nobody should pay attention to what you said above and second, if you aren't concerned and have no problem with people lying to you, there is a serious problem there. Thats something you need to look into and get checked out for. lying to people is a bad thing, accepting and encouraging being lied to is worse.

yes it is saying something. that you either haven't been paying attention or you've convinced yourself into an astoundingly bad state of denial about the situation

theres a term for that: circular logic.

first of when most people are against something you should be asking why, not making excuses. second, a company cannot under any circumstances, force an employee to lie to customers, without risking getting in serious trouble if the employee refuses to do so. So they can't be forcing anyone to do anything. That being said 'we were following orders' is not an excuse. thats the kind of thing many members of the SS and German high command tried to claim after world war 2. it didn't work for them and it won't work for cryptic or anyone else. people are responsible for their own actions
I see what pattern you see. I see the entire thing differently, because of my own reasons.

I don't have a problem with that, if it's true. I like the game, and I want it to succeed. It needs players for that to happen.

Not sure what you're saying there.

Lies are all over our society anyway... ever heard of the statement 'Take away lies, and society falls apart'? It's like a sweater, with one thread as lies... take that one thread away, and the whole thing unravels. This is why the occasional lie is okay to me, because I know it will happen anyway. To me, people reacting to every single lie just seems too excessive.

The fact is, based on my own reasons, is that I AM aware of EVERYTHING that's happened with STO, it's devs, and the playerbase. That, and the fact that I don't mind many of their decisions, statements, etc, plus the fact I like Cryptic... doesn't sound like denial to me. Just acceptance of the situation.

Circular logic is still logic. It's better than nothing after all.

When applying to people who did terrible things, yes, that applies easily. When applying to a situation that is much less terrible (business decisions), and with a company who loves Star Trek, as they've proven time and time again even when making tough decisions or being ordered to do other things... it's much more grey area than that cut-and-dry 'good or bad. no middle ground'.

Anyway, the point here being... I have my own opinion. It may be unusual, and you may think it's deranged and it's not normal, and you may even think I need mental help. But normal's boring anyway And I'm not actively trying to harm anyone or anything serious like that, so it's not like being a little different in the head is a major issue.
Was named Trek17, but still an author.

Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'. I have nothing against the game/devs, nor any particular wish to talk bad about either, or praise most decisions. Still, it's better to be positive than cynical.

Last edited by trek21; 07-31-2012 at 03:40 PM.