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Originally Posted by misterde3
This is a textbook example of missing the point.
Nobody here asks for ships to be identical.
Nobody asked to be integrated into the Federation.
What people ask is:
"why are Klingon Raptors at best comparable in some parts and certainly inferior in others?"
Because last time I checked "balance" is achieved by giving a unit (as a general term) a certain number of characteristics with a certain number of advantages and disadvantages that should even each other out.
In this case we have Raptors with the same strengths as their Federation counterparts and an additional weakness.
Why the heck is this weakness not compensated by something (for example by fixing the turn axis)?
That's the point you're missing.
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I haven't missed the point, I know there is an issue with the pivot point of the raptors as it is now, one that would be nice to have fixed.
The point I am trying to make is in response to:
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Originally Posted by travelingmaster
Or, they could dump the pointless raptor class and buff the BoPs to be able to do the work of BoPs and raptors combined. Then put in a dedicated science vessel line. That'd be a great improvement, right off the bat. BoPs that don't crumple in the face of Fed Escorts, and actual science ships (not the varied C-store only ships they've passed onto us).
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And that point is, the raptor class should not be dropped and have the bop buffed to fill both the raider and escort roles.
Also, after more thought, checking the base stats of fed escorts at t4/t5 and the qin raptor, as well as the recollection of another post somewhere in these forums, I have come to another conclusion. And that is:
Fed escorts should out turn kdf raptors, the base turn rate of the AE, MVAE, and the blockade escort is 16 vs the raptors base of 15, the turn rate of any defiant model at any rank is 17 base, the only one that has matching turn rate is the HEC.
Considering the above with the fact that raptors are one of the oldest class and model of ships in the kdf lore and history, as mentioned in another post in these forums somewhere, it really comes as no surprise that the raptor is where it is now.
At the end of the day, each ship has it's strengths and it's weaknesses, it is then up to the individual pilot to utilize those strengths, and negate or defend against the weaknesses.
As for not mirroring the fed escorts, asking for a line of ships to behave the same comeing from 2 different cultures with completely different outlooks on performance is asking for just that.
As an addendum, I don't recall seeing the raptor being called an escort, I do recall seeing it referred to as an escort cruiser (or was that cruiser escort) in a KDF only mission.