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10-07-2012, 07:38 AM
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Predestination. No matter how badly people screw up the timeline, it's pretty trivial to get it back in line with no visible effect on the future. Actually more to the point, it's not trivial to set it back but you don't actually have to set it back, because you already screwed it up and you're already going to fix it. All the hand wringing is dramatics, the very fact that they're still there to worry about it means they have nothing to worry about - if they did, Kirk's irresponsible use of time machines would have already destroyed at least two universes.
Exactly

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Kirk pulling a scientist out of her field was one thing,
Perhaps she was fated to step in front of a bus the week after, so her temporal relocation would have had no impact on the timeline...

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but Sisko killed a prominent historical figure, took his place, stammered out his lines from the history books (not knowing how accurate those accounts actually were), and then disappearing did nothing except change the picture in the history books.
Sisko did not kill Gabriel Bell...

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Oh, and two ships from the future doing spectacular battle in low orbit
'Spectacular battle'? The Borg sphere was firing consistently at the surface. The Enterprise-E fired four quantum torpedoes and the sphere exploded... That's hardly 'spectacular'

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(Cochrane may have been dismissed as a drunk, but the other people near the launch site can't be so easily dismissed, and the explosion would have been visible far away
The other people at the launch site probably thought that the attack was the Eastern Coalition... Lily would have allowed them to maintain that belief, and on the occasions when Zef started running his mouth off, as you point out, he was dismissed as a drunk

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not to mention the reentry as a massive alien ship crashes into Antarctica),
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Never happened...
Fragments from the sphere made it through the atmosphere following it's destruction, but it was hardly a re-entry and crash landing...

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but the Vulcan ship that detected the Phoenix failed to notice the much larger and more powerful ship departing under its nose.
Worf clearly reported that the moon's gravitational field had obscured the Enterprise's warp signature from the T'Plana-Hath's sensors, no mystery there... If the T'Plana-Hath's sensors had detected anything, there would have been nothing remaining to investigate. Vulcans of the time would have no belief in time travel, so their logic would have dictated that the sensors had either picked up a subspace echo from the Phoenix's test flight, or that the sensor array had briefly malfunctioned and created an anomalous reading...

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Heck, Yesterday's Enterprise: In three different timelines, despite changes massive enough to alter the fundamental nature of the Federation and the political balance of the entire quadrant, the Enterprise-D still managed to find itself in the same place at the same time for the same reason with the same crew and the same people on the bridge (Tasha Yar being the only difference). Also, everything in the mirror universe. No matter how far things in that universe have departed from the prime universe, the same people are in the same ships, usually in the same places doing similar things.

Even most of the things in Q's artificial future came to pass - the Negh'var rolled off the assembly line a few years later, some of the changes made to the Enterprise appeared on Galaxy class ships during the Dominion War, the uniforms appeared in no less than three futures despite multiple massive tinkering with the timeline.
As you mentioned above, dramatics and pre-destination for the win

Last edited by marcusdkane; 10-07-2012 at 01:24 PM.