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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
10-15-2012, 07:22 AM
You forgot the Long Range Science Retro. (Intrepid with Ablative Armor).

And, while the Nebula is a somewhat "funky" science ship in that it's more a hybrid science-cruiser, it was also (IIRC) the first Fed ship to draw any kind of universal BOff slot, which might have mitigated the need to create a high-end Sci w/Tactical secondary and Sci w/Engineering secondary (slot appropriate BOff into universal slot on the Nebula).

With the omission added and keeping the Atrox Carrier lumped in as a "science-oriented" ship, you suddenly find that there's as many Vice-Admiral Only C-store Science ships as there are C-store Escorts:

Nebula - MVAE (which, BTW, is a "science secondary" escort and the only escort that has LtCmdr science BOff built-in)
Intrepid (missing Long Range) - Defiant (Tactical)
Atrox - Armitage

Now, as far as fleet ships go, their "minor increment to power" is an ongoing effort to avoid (mitigate) the P2W syndrome that typically infests F2P games. By only giving them slight hull/shields boosts and an extra console, there is just enough advancement to make them worthwhile (and most likely the "I win" button in a battle of equal skill), but not so strong as they can be defeated by "free" ships with even a minor advantage in skill by the F2P player. However, I will point out that Science is the only ship-line to get all of it's "free" ships advanced into the fleet level - the Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4 (Intrepid) and both Tier 5's (DSSV & RSV) all have fleet retrofits - Escorts miss out on their Tier 3 Akira somewhat (yeah, it's an available skin for the Heavy Escort Carrier Retro) and Cruisers miss out on their Tier 2 (Issues with the Connie Retro skin option for the Excalibur?) and one tier 5 (as the Sovvy's next version is the C-store Regent, not in the fleet yards yet).

Oh, and you're missing the Tholian Orb Weaver from the list of lockbox-available Science vessels, which, along with the Wells Timeship, aren't commanding outrageous prices on the exchange last I checked (in the 40-50 mil range, half of what the Jem'Hadar Bug escort is commanding).

So, with all this, and the possible inclusion of the Vesta as a C-store Science ship, shows that there's at least a bit of "recent" love shown Science ships (maybe the focus on Sci is to encourage Science Captain play after all the nerfs to science powers?) even though it's not directly available in the C-store...
Well, with the upgrade announcement leaving NX and Connie fans in the dust again, can we restart / revisit the T5 Connie and NX threads - since they will no longer be "truly" endgame ships... (after we get the T5 versions, it'll be time to see them added to the T5U upgrade charts too...

Last edited by dareau; 10-15-2012 at 07:26 AM. Reason: Clarification on the list being VA only...