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# 24
11-10-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
it will hit as hard as every escort build that includes a torp or DBB, were the BO misses or the torp hit shields harmlessly. more often then not, this is what happens to non 4 DHC escorts.

captain tac powers with just CRF 1 will deal more damage, and more useful damage, then an 8 beam array cruiser. maybe even a 4 single cannon cruiser. its the usefulness of spike thats the problem. before this ship, sci ships could just befuddle, not deal much in the way of damage. the vesta will add significantly to the spike available for focus fireing, dealing the right damage at the right time, to vastly increase kill chance.

Yes torps and a dbb fail sometimes but they wont fail a whole match long. Also you notice the missing dps compared to 4 DHC if your dbb/torps fail.
Also yes sci ships lack spike but again a fleet sci recon with a dbb bo could also deal spike if it hits. We will see if this turns out to be a problem. Just stay calm and wait.
Also sci can deal quite some dmg with good timed torps or tric mines at the moment. Or with sci powers if there are some working at the time, like PSW once did.

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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
a tac captain in the vesta with a LTC tac or TLC eng with a 2 AtB build will have global cannon ability up time, just like an escort. the only thing it could be missing is any APO, the weakest of all damage buffing tac abilities. SNB and sensor scan turning off someones resistance will be basically as effective at dealing damage as staked tac powers as well. thats why sci/escorts can be so dangerous.

there is no getting around it, its a monstrously op mary sue ship that makes a significant number of other ships in the game worthless by comparison, and not just other sci ships.
So you are trying to build an escort with a sci ship. Should work but why dont you simply take an escort? Like the multi vector? Isn't there even some kind of fleet version of it with 5 tac consoles? In the end you trade your tac com for a sci com. Dont know if you really need that sci com, I think in an escort the tac might be better. Also you do have less turn rate and are missing one weapon slot.
The way I see it the vesta would be an escort with less dmg but one hangar. Don't know if its worth the trade. The vesta will provide some variety but I don't really think it will be that op. It might be in line with lockbox ships or the oddy.

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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
there is no getting around it, its a monstrously op mary sue ship that makes a significant number of other ships in the game worthless by comparison, and not just other sci ships.
I understand you rage but please just take a moment to think about it. The ship is certainly good no doubt but it's no way near what you are imagining.
It will be n very nice ship to pug in and probably good in farming randoms.

As someone else mentioned the Kar'fi. Look at the stats. It has a base turn of 8, thats more than a normal fed cruiser. It has 34,500 hull and an ok shield mod. Even a console that makes it untargetable. It has 2 hangars with unique pets, pets have tric mines and torps and even have chroniton torps as well.
So you have sci ship that can do as much dmg as an excelsior with pets as well and a special console. Sounds op? Well its a nice ship but I suppose you have seen it, it is nothing to worry about.

Stats can be misleading and I know you do not trust cryptic after all they have released. But please just wait and see. I really don't think it will be that bad and I am pretty sure it won't kick the bug of it's op throne.