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# 11
11-19-2012, 06:16 AM
Originally Posted by defalus View Post
The Federation is at war, if they didn't move into to Romulan space it would be wide open for the Klingon Empire to take. It's been shown several times before on TV how far Starfleet is willing to go, the ends justify the means.
The federation is NOT at war with the romulan govenment, as there is not esablished Romulan govenment. They are trying to MAKE a Romulan govenment, in dire violation of the prime directive. It's the kind of behaviour you'd expect from Romulans, but not the Federation!

The end? Who can predict the end? If the Tal Shiar is stronger than the provintial government, Starfleet may have committed to support a minor faction in a civil war! To what end? To lead the Romulan people into opression by a Federation-supported military dictatorship. Does this sound like something worth killing refugees over?

Originally Posted by captainrevo1 View Post
They are not attacking the refugees, they are attacking the Tal Shiar.
And when the Tal Shiar home planet is destroyed (yes, it's their home too), they are not entitled to refugee status?

Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
Pvehero, Kirk made a career off interfereing off every planet they visited Sure some were for the best, but some were not

The Prime Directive's been violated a lot, and not just by him... at this point, it's one of those few-times-enforced laws that only some pay attention to. Sure Star Trek's message is what you said, but there is a lot of interfering by Starfleet as well.
Kirks interpretation of the PD was... creative at best, still he held it to be the highest principal to guide us.

Originally Posted by Memory Alpha
The Prime Directive was viewed as so fundamental to Starfleet that officers swore to uphold the Prime Directive, even at the cost of their own life or the lives of their crew. (TOS: "Bread and Circuses", "A Piece of the Action"; VOY: "Course: Oblivion")
Originally Posted by Picard
the Prime Directive is not just a set of rules. It is a philosophy, and a very correct one.

Originally Posted by timelord79 View Post
I agree with CaptainRevo.

What those preemptive strikes refer to are the missions you played previously during the Romulan Front.
Not in a single instance those strikes where against civilian refugees. On the contrary, there is e mission "Friend of my Enemy" where we do the exact opposite, and which can be seen as a precurser to New Romulus, and help a colony of Romulan refugees against a Reman induced bioweapon.

What see what the preemtive strikes are exactly,you should check the missions"Divide et Impera", "Preemptive Strike" (shocking, isn't it? ), "By Any Means", "Taris", "S'hariens Swords" and most of "Cloaked Intentions".

Some of those are legitimate, some are questionable or even regrettable. But Starfleet treats these as a "what's done is done" deal and tries it's best to correct those mistakes now with the help for an entirely new faction within the Empire, namely those civilian refugees.
It's so nice of you to refer to these missions, where WE, as Captains, were forced and tricked into violating the prime directive severely, by an Undine infiltrator! I distinctly remember masacring a romulan research station because I was told they were hiding illegal weapons.... Yes, we killed them all, researches and cleaning personel. I was cringing when being forced though that outrage as well.

As for civilian, if there is no legit government, there can be no military. Para-military civilians at best. Even the Tal Shiar are a group of civilians working towards their own goal. Well armed civilianc, yes, and well organized, but still civilians!

Last edited by pvehero; 11-19-2012 at 06:18 AM.