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# 74
12-05-2012, 10:05 AM
Originally Posted by maddriver View Post
The problem is that in 2009 (and likely in the sequel), Humanity is not depicted as striving for a better future, nor as enlightened as the TV series pointed out.
In the Abramverse it is just another futuristic Human military space organization.
That is the problem.
It wasn't really explored in the movie, but it certainly wasn't shot down. Pike called Starfleet a "peacekeeping and humanitarian armada", as opposed to a normal military force.

Yes, there were imperfect people in the movie. Just as there were imperfect people in every one of the series, and every one of the movies. Not every single person in the Federation is going to be enlightened.

Originally Posted by adrianm63 View Post
you sure are talking about the 2009 jj s**t trek?
That was never considered a success.It was in meh category .Mean girls had better success than 2009 JJ Lens Flare Trek lol
Meh category is not a scuccess.20$ profit is not considered a success.
Budget was $150 million. It made $235,494,555 in the box office. Commercial success? Yes.

"Star Trek reignites a classic franchise with action, humor, a strong story, and brilliant visuals, and will please traditional Trekkies and new fans alike." - Rotten Tomatoes, who gives is a 95% approval rating.

"Emotionally, Star Trek hits every one of its marks, functioning as a family reunion that extends across decades, entertainment mediums, even blurring the line between audience and show. Trading on affections sustained over 40 years of popular culture, Star Trek does what a franchise reboot rarely does. It reminds us why we loved these characters in the first place." - Ty Burr (Boston Globe), who gave it four stars

"Star Trek [...] isn?t just a pleasurable rethink of your geek uncle's favorite science-fiction series. It's also a testament to television's power as mythmaker, as a source for some of the fundamental stories we tell about ourselves, who we are and where we came from." - Manohla Dargis (New York Times)

Critical success? Yes.

Originally Posted by reyan01 View Post
Meh - JJ-Starfleet is an oddity anyway - considering that it takes four years to graduate from the academy (or it DID, in the Prime Universe anyway) Chekov, 17 at the time of Nero's rubbish, was basically 13 years old when he entered what is, basically, a military academy.

So Starfleet Academy admits children. Great.
Pike said to Kirk, "You could be an officer in four years." ie, after Kirk graduates. He also called Chekov a "Russian whiz-kid", suggesting Chekov is a prodigy. And Chekov was presumably a cadet at the time as well.