Are Klingons really that tough
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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Aug 2012
12-06-2012, 08:13 PM
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No, watch the episode. Sisko mentions in the episode that he lost in a wrestling match to that Vulcan, and then Cassidy states "Well, what do you expect? Vulcans have three times the strength of a human" Then when they play baseball and he says that he says Worf is either faster or stronger, he's probably talking about strength, since that's what Klingons boast about
watch the episode. I even consulted the script. Sisko doesn't specify that klingons are stronger, at most he implies they may have equivalent strength. Or that they have equivalent speed/reflexes. He wasn't clear.
And yeah Sisko got trounced in a wrestling match, but Sisko has also boxed Jem'hadar and Klingons so I don't think the latter have the same strength as vulcans do.
You have to consider the rest of the show and the rest of the context. Hell, Kira beats up Klingons in 'Way of the Warrior' - they simply cannot be physically stronger than humans.
See, you're missing the point, if Worf was tough he wouldn't get beaten up so often, his wrist broken by Troi(under possession, but it was her technique, not strength that broke it), Pwed by Roga Danar, thrown around by a Borg drone, knocked out by the admiral in conspiracy, etc. When he actually fights and gets Pwned then we can say he really isn't that good. The only fights I remember him winning were against other Klingons, in combat, when he killed Duras and Gowron
No it's you who is missing the point I made about confirmation bias. All your examples - all of them - show extenuating circumstances. Troi was under possession by an alien and that may well have boosted her strength (did they establish Worf's wrist was broken? Having watched that scene on youtube it certainly doesn't look broken); Roga Danar was physically augmented by his people, so he likely IS stronger than Worf; Borg drones are stronger than anyone, even Vulcans (Tuvok was man-handled by a drone in 'Scorpion') thanks to their cybernetic implants; the parasitic beings in 'Conspiracy' boosted the bodies they were in. In other words the dice were loaded against Worf in those examples.
Worf's beaten up other klingons but he's also beaten up Jem'hadar, Romulans and other dudes. Jem'hadar are implied to be pretty strong, so go figure.
How come these supposed "organ backups" don't come into play, if they were shot through the heart, the secondary heart should come online, unless an organ was damaged they didn't have a backup for, or bleeding, etc. I'm guessing they took a lot of abuse and damage evolving from the crustacean form we see in Genesis to what they are now, and thus developed those backups, but what good are they if they don't work when you need them to?
How come you are missing my point? That klingons did not evolve any resilience to rayguns. Bringing this up is irrelevant - they have organ backups but that's not going to save them from being vaporised by a disruptor, or stunned by a phaser.
On the other hand in 'Ethics' we see that those organ backups saved Worf's life when he otherwise would have died without them.