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# 40
01-02-2013, 01:57 PM
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Hope I didn't tire you with such a loooong endless answer but I wanted to explain things clearly.
not at all

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In terms of theory, yes sensor scan is on a 2 minutes cooldown... but in terms of practice, are we really sure that would be a problem? Besides the fact sensor scan is not for a single target (like attack pattern beta or delta) but it takes multiple targets in its range. This, combined with gravity well and a scatter volley, would do really nice damage
Obviously, I'm referring to PvE scenarios and, obviously, all these abilities (except CSV) are powered by aux. Sometimes, a battery isn't enough: because these abilites aren't the only ones that you use that depends by aux power: HE, Aux2SIF, TSS... these are the ones which keep you alive. You can't DPS if you blow up right? Sure even at low power levels they do something but the vesta doesn't have that much hull, and your shields will lower quickly in an intense PvP match 3vs1 (just for instance) or if the tac cube notes your shiny hull. So having some more aux power is really useful!
I am not debating, for PVP the aux cannons are really great, however they still are not the best dps for PVP (but as I said in other topics, I can imagine many aux cannon PVP builds, however for PVE its not the best to use them)
also, I deal around 9k DPS (if someone who can actually play this game with skill, would easily do 10k DPS in my build), and barely die (only when I dont watch my shields, to be rerouted when my 2 TTs are on cooldown). the only thing that gives me a hard time is a tac cube, with an incompetent team, which cannot kill it fast enough (I am talking about minutes, so I as time is concerned, I am talking about real bad pugs to be on your team, so the tac cube is alive for long enough to give you some trouble)

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So, think about it. It's not all about raw DPS. Although it can dps more than a cruiser and a normal sci ship it's not an escort... you are a sci.
exactly, that is why I said to spec it for CC. you can deal insane DPS, even while CC, I know escorts who deal easily around 15k DPS, but they suffer with big groups, because they just do not have the tools to grab a group of those, and love to have me on team even with my lower DPS, just because I know how and when to use grav well

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Subsystem targeting and the sensor analysis passive ability too.
subsystem targeting is not that useful, since it is again just a dps loss, having a beam instead of a dmg dealing weapon, and it does not make up for it. also, imo sensor analysis is pretty much what makes this ship kind of OP (without it, I would not even think of saying its OP, but having it is kind of the "just a bit too much" chategory for me)




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Only with high aux you'll compensate low hull, and debuff your enemy enough to let your dps kill it.
in any stf (as I said, pvp is quite different, but even there you the only things that could kill me -mind you I am not PVP-ing basically, ever, only to test some ideas- were the ships, that could out manouver me, but even that is probably because I refused to bring danubes, and to use my full pve build), you pretty much do not need high aux to defend against any enemy. you can pretty much bug the gates at 1,7km, dealing highest dps possible, and the only other things that might deal similar threatening dmg are tac cubes (if you are not with idiots in a team, who deal less than 3k dps, thats not a problem either), and donatra (and there you only have to watch out for the torp spreads)

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People still don't understand that, sure, STO is mainly focused in DPS, but numbers sometimes can't express what you get in your face while you're fighting something or someone. You need to considerate practical results and those results tell me that I won't do the same DPS of an escort (which sci ship does?) but I always accomplish my objective
the vesta is the closest you will ever get to a sci escort, and sadly I deal more DPS than many escorts (I will not say that I deal more DPS than escorts, because I have seen the escort builds, that can actually deal DPS, not just the poof-poof that most people bring to elite stfs - tbh its kind of the stfs fault, that you can pretty much get away with 4k dps, and having 6k would make you feel great)

there, I made you an even longer answer