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Survivor of Romulus
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01-08-2013, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
look at the borg drone baby
BORN with implants

That is not correct. Borg do not procreate, they assimilate. The infant discovered by Enterprise-D personnel was not a newborn from shipboard drones, but a child which was being artificially matured in a maturation chamber until it would be a more efficient mass. As for the implants, the assimilation process utilizes internal replication to create primary implants which then break through the skin.
refering to the one in voyager when Seven brings additional borg aboard and janeway once again declines to use terminal force


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nothing to do with General order 24
you Cleanse and sterlise infection sites (infection control)

If you mean the planet where Chakotay was partially assimilated, then that would involve wiping out an entire colony to take out a handful of de-assimilated people who were no harm or threat to others.
everyone down there was borg
they were being re-assimilated

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It would indeed be considered under the aegis of GO24, but an unjustified example, so yeah, given your other historical comments along those lines, I think they would indeed classify you Section 8... But as promised, there will be weekly kal-toh matches
its not termination of a civilisation OR an attack on a living ecosystem
its like burning a viral sample


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impossible to tell

Very crucial distinction. If she was ever having her motor functions 'externally controlled' by the collective at any time, then Seven would not be personally responsible for any actions her body may be undertaking...
as there is no "she" the drone is always acting as a drone

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But I mean Drones WEARING it to protect them from us

Ahh...
particularly some of the ones that protect against kinetic force

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actually ANY human can

the golden rule is on assimilation repeat the phrase "I am the Borg We ARE Human"

I don't think that any Human would be able to resist the assimilation process... While I think an immortal's regenerative abilities might initially delay the process, I think that once the nanoprobes adapt, they would use that same process to significantly increase the process...
According to some (soft canon) sources the Borg Avoid telepathic species and hive minds precisely because a stronger will can over ride the Collective to some degree
This is why species like the Chitik (insectoid hive mind) and the Binars (electronic communal mind) are not targets for assimilation


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i can not be assimilated (im diabetic)

How would diabetes prevent you from being assimilated?
The Borg seek Perfection
id be treated as "unfit for assimilation"
the nanites simply would not bother


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many species also can't be for various reasons

Many? The only species I know of which is able to biologically resist assimilation, is the Undine. Which other species are there?
several
Tholians for a start (crystaline) energy races , biomorphics , the Chitik , some other telepathic hive minds , anything with a protoplasm base , horta
etc etc

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fire arrows , throw grenades , unleash Ebola

Ebola wouldn't be much good, as the drone's implants would maintain their biological systems and hold the disease in stasis. Other than that, yes, arrows, grenades etc would be my solutions, as mentioned, I would not want to get anywhere within reaching distance of a drone, armed or otherwise...
actually ebola would EAT the drone (no immune system)

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and it still killed them

Of course it did. There were only two drones, so no time for the damage information to be processed and adapted to. I'm curious to know if that would be the case in an extended conflict.
their ability to adapt is not sufficient in small numbers (if the local collective is small enough they adapt slower)


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Weapons
the average modern human is Armed
the average modern american owns a gun for example

Yes. No reason for them to be unclothed though...
My daily clothing includes steel toe capped boots (a weapon) a belt with a buckle (a weapon) and thick heavy gloves (allowing me to rip out implants and mess the up)


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their shields do not work that way (and if they did we have people who could still kill them)

Admittedly, the Holtzman shields do have the flaw of being susceptible to slow-moving objects which I don't believe Starfleet deflectors or Borg shields have, but I was referring more to the idea of if drones shields could be permanantly activated in the face of troops with projectile rifles, rather than them simply being reactive, as they seem to be against particle weapons...
Then we use a reverse polarity surge (with thanks to Data for that) and implode the shield

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I said a Modern human

(stronger and faster than a trek human)remember humanity has degenerated in the last few centuries
TOS humans were stronger than TNG humans and Enterprise humans stronger still
We in the 21st century could beat the hell out of a drone

our environment is much tougher
we have stronger immune systems
we are infact Physically superior in most respects

I disagree that humanity has degenerated, and disagree that contemporary Humans are physically superior to Trek era Humans.
your right to an opinion is of course recognised

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Advances in medical technology, improvements in lifestyle mean that people live longer than before, so can see no reason why that would decrease with the passage of time.
exactly

A Healthy person in the middle ages was tougher than his 19th century counter part
Each generation medical ability improves and the gene pool weakens slightly
people who would not have lived to breed (like me and my brother diabetics) now do
each new generation will have more people who only exist because of medical advances

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Exposure to alien illnesses would increase the range of a persons' immune system.
And tri spectrum anti virals would cancel that out
examine the situation when 20th century men encounter TOS officers (they bounce them off the walls)


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A drone is slow

Correction. Drones are shown to be slow when they have no reason to move quickly... As mentioned, Seven moved faster than Tuvok, out-thought him in terms of tactics, and was able to physically over-power him.
seven as I said has "bimbo powers" if seven had been 13 stone 50 years old and covered in implant scars she would have been slow

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If Vulcans have been described as having three times the strength of a Human, then Seven is clearly considerably stronger. When the crew of the Enterprise-E were fighting the drones, one crew member was brushed aside with no effort at all.
And a drone was also killed with a punch