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# 16
01-16-2013, 04:49 AM
Originally Posted by ilhansk View Post
Logan, I respect you as a good PVPer and as a person, but what you are saying is not true. Your personal feelings towards certain individuals from our fleet is clouding your judgement.

Also, all our actions were collectivly decided upon. As a fleet.

Our goal is and always will be to improve the state of PVP in this game, to better inter-fleet relations, to promote fair play and to act as role models for the PVP community. And the last days showed that we are not alone. The vast majority of the community is sharing our values and is expressing their support for us.

But we also have the feeling that other parties unfortunatly do not believe in these values. That some may be preaching similar values but are concerned only for their own benefit, the future of this game be damned.

We try to be better than that. With this thread Shimmer is expressing our values, who we are and what we stand for.
Hank, its not some from your fleet, its as Logan said 1 person. The issue is, its not a personal feeling from Logan, but a collective feeling that is rapidly developing from the rest of the community which in turn is having a major (I do stress major) negative impact to the image of your fleet.

I on a personal level have had no issues with trph as a whole, but that 1 minority (just like in real life) ruins it for you as a collective.

Accusing someone directly of sabotaging something without proof, behind their back, and then asking them not to take it personal when they are caught red handed and challenged about such behaviour (I'm confident the said person has recorded it as well but will not play it back for obvious reasons) isn't the actions to demonstrate the values which Shimerless wants to show us of you as a fleet.

Please don't take this as a threat but as a warning (To the unmentioned: Please do not twist this statement like in the past to suit your agenda):
If the said individual continues like this, I can see whole fleets just warping out in pvp matches and not participating in tournaments to avoid such behaviour and in turn ruining your STO PvP enjoyment as a fleet.
I personally don't wish or agree to this behaviour of any kind but there is a high probability this will occur.

Also, you can mention it to the said person that the recent youtube audio/video clip is working wonders for the image of the Pandas and he can make it viewable to all. I freely pass the link out myself. Also can you ask him to point out exactly at which minute and second the accusation occurred.

In closing, to keep with the spirit of this thread, I also want to apologise for any conceived wrong doings I personally may or may not have done and also apologise on behalf of the pandas for their part.


PvP for old and new

Last edited by naz4; 01-16-2013 at 04:59 AM.