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# 111
01-27-2013, 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by mkilczewski View Post
You've been misinformed. Battleships were formerly designed as a naval superiority weapon, not as carrier escorts/pickets.
The Iowa-class design started in 1938, at that time it was more that known that the Carriers would be replacing battleships as the center of the battle groups.

The Iowa was designed to be fast enough to keep up with carriers and to engage any ships that could come close to the battle group.

I have not been misinformed, those ships were further modified by the realities of the Pacific theater, the first Iowa class to be commissioned was the USS Iowa, it was laid down in 1940, launched in 1941 and commissioned in 1942.

I am quite aware of what battleships were originally meant to do, however anything like the Battle of Jutland never happened in WW II; what DID happened was Pearl Harbor and Prince of Wales, I could add other examples as the Yamato and even the Bismarck.

Realities change the role of ships, the Iowa was a battleship because of its armament and tonnage but its intended role was to escort Carriers and defend then from cruisers and battleships.

Sometimes they were attached to carrier strike forces as flagships, but for the most part, their mission was to seek out, and destroy other battleships, and provide long range fire support during amphibious operations. Their role has since been supplanted by the guided missle cruiser/destroyer.
Oh dear Lord ...

I do not have the time to go over the entire naval history of World War II, I can only say you are so wrong.

The reason you never saw any fighter craft in any canon trek ...
Except the Federation Attack Fighter in DS9:Sacrifice of Angels ...

A Miranda class starship's targeting, and fire control systems, even at low power levels, would be more than sufficient, to toast multiple wings of fighter craft, simultaneously.
Ok so ... let me get this.

We "never say any fighter craft in any canon trek" BUT apparently we seen the "Miranda targeting and control system" "toasting multiple wings of fighter craft."

Of course the above is false, we HAVE seen them as I mentioned and yes, we have been told the Cardassian/Dominion Fleet were destroying them ... of course considering how that battle gone it does not tell us much as we seen Mirandas being destroyed as well as the Federation Attack Fighters wings were send alone to lure ships away from the main forces, they simply did not bite the bait.

This is ignored in the silly, views, expressed by Cryptic in STO. So even though some glorious, Klingons wouldn't be adverse to flying kamikaze missions in small craft, the Federation is not in the business of sending young pilots to their death.
This tired old comment again.

Also no, the Klingons are NOT suicidal, they are NOT Imperial Japan of the 1944's as they were original based on the Mongols.

Another reason the "Aircraft Analogy" doesn't hold water...
I made no attempt at such a analogy, I only said conditions change as we gone from Jutland to Pearl Harbor with the role of the Battleship being altered over the years.

This is why any type of offensive, carrier vessel in STO, is sillier than an electric blanket mobile.
I made my comments in relation to Carriers being " OMG! aggressive warship meant only for war and killing kittens" that a rather ignorant view, a carrier does what it says ... it carries, question is WHAT it carriers.

You people are always with the same crap, on one hand the very mention carrier strikes so much fear into the hearts of the people they faint yet at the same time they are utter worthless.

Pick one argument and stick with it but now you mention Battleships is a horrible word YET we have the Typhoon Class Battleship, yet we have the Dreadnought Cruiser.

So carrier is BAD WORD! BAD WORD! yet Dreadnought is perfectly fine.

I have no desire to go back to this tired old argument since THAT ship have sailed (Atrox, Heavy Escort Carrier) and further discussion is POINTLESS, however I do say this.

Right now the Federation True Carrier force is almost exclusive made from the Recluse and now the Jem'hadar Dreadnought ... you DONT have a problem with that? the fact non-Federation ships are taking the place of proper Federation ships because ... well the Heavy Escort Carrier is the 2nd most common escort but still a escort and the Atrox is a rather disappointing ship (even it made so many rage/quit back on its release) since its a Cruiser/Science ship with the worst of both of those ships.