Address contradiction between Star Trek show cruisers and STO cruisers
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Join Date: Jun 2012
01-30-2013, 12:08 PM
Two instances where starship characters recognize that escorts are no match for a full fledged battleship/cruiser:
From DS9 Episode "Valiant"
[Valiant Mess hall]
SHEPARD: Attention on deck!
WATTERS: Stand at ease. It's been a long eight months. A lot of hard work, a lot of sacrifice. Now we've accomplished our mission. We found the battleship and obtained a complete scan without being detected, and we're free to go home. But that ship out there is a direct threat to every Federation outpost and colony within fifty light years. That ship must be destroyed. It can be destroyed. Commander?
FARRIS: We've found a flaw in the design of their antimatter storage system. The primary support braces are made of viterium.
WATTERS: It's a very strong, very resilient metal alloy which just happens to become extremely unstable when exposed to delta radiation.
FARRIS: A single torpedo rigged with a radiogenic warhead could reduce those braces to the consistency of wet pasta.
WATTERS: And as a result, the entire antimatter storage system would tear itself apart. Commander Nog, you don't seem convinced.
NOG: Well, sir, in order to rig a torpedo to yield a delta radiation burst I'll have to remove most of the guidance systems. We'll have to target it manually.
FARRIS: We've trained for that possibility. It shouldn't be a problem.
NOG: We'll also have to get very close to the target.
WATTERS: How close?
NOG: Within three hundred metres.
WATTERS: It's dangerous, there's no disputing that. And no one would think any less of us if we just turn around and go home. But that means that some other ship with some other crew would be asked to finish the job that we started. I think we can do it. I think we should do it.
JAKE: Can I say something?
FARRIS: You are not a member of this crew.
WATTERS: Let him speak.
JAKE: You all probably know who my father is. Benjamin Sisko. So you know I'm not exaggerating when I say that he's considered to be one of the best combat officers in the fleet. And I'm telling you right now that even with the entire crew of the Defiant with him, my father would never try to pull off something like this. And if he can't do it, it can't be done.
WATTERS: We're Red Squad and we can do anything.
(And the room cheers.)
ALL: Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad! Red Squad!
[Valiant Engine room]
(Nog is working on the torpedo.)
JAKE: This is suicide.
NOG: No, it's not.
JAKE: Nog, listen to me. We're in way over our heads here. Now someone told me that ship out there is twice the size of a Galaxy class starship and three times as strong
NOG: That's accurate.
JAKE: And you really think we can go up against a ship like that?
NOG: I think that Captain Watters
[Valiant Ready room]
NOG [on monitor] Knows what he's doing.
JAKE [on monitor]: Oh, really? Well, did you know that Watters has been taking cordafin stimulants for the past two months?
NOG [on monitor]: Where did you hear that?
JAKE [on monitor]: Dorian told me.
NOG [on monitor]: You were ordered to stay away from her!
JAKE [on monitor]: Will you forget about obeying orders for just a minute!
WATTERS: Watters to Shepard. Please report to my Ready room, Lieutenant.
NOG [on monitor]: That's not the way we do things in Starfleet.
(Watters turns off the monitor.)
[Valiant Engine room]
JAKE: I can't believe you're buying everything that Watters is selling.
NOG: He's not selling anything. He's reminding us of our duty.
JAKE: I feel like I'm having a conversation with one of the bulkheads.
NOG: You don't understand because you've never put on one of these uniforms. You don't know anything about sacrifice or honour or duty or any of the things that make up a soldier's life. I'm part of something larger than myself. All you care about is you.
JAKE: That's right. All I care about is Jake Sisko and whether or not he's going to be killed by a bunch of delusional fanatics looking for martyrdom.
NOG: Get out.
JAKE: I don't even know who you are anymore.
NOG: I'm the Chief Engineer of the starship Valiant.
JAKE: I'll have them put that on your tombstone.
From Star Trek: Generations
PICARD'S COM VOICE
Klingon vessel. We know what
you're doing, and we will destroy
any probe launched toward the
Soran's expression darkens.
What do we do?
Soran checks his watch.
There's no time for this.
That is a Galaxy class Starship.
We are no match for them.
Soran thinks for a moment... then he gets an idea. He
pulls Geordi's VISOR out of a pocket. He eyes it with
I think it's time we gave Mister
La Forge his sight back.
As you see, there is ample basis within the shows and movies for assuming that cruisers out DPS raiders/escorts like BOP's and the defiant.
And I do believe CBS would want a Star Trek game to reflect this difference in terms of the inherent weapons each class has.
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