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# 300
03-21-2013, 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by shookyang View Post
But Threat Control on it's own against a single target in a group will not necessarily keep you in the groups target. That is my original point several posts before.

It makes sense that if you have high Threat Control and using AOE abilities, you're going to keep aggro on yourself until someone on your team creates enough threat generation on their own to get an NPC to change its target.
That depends really. The question is, are you doing that high a damage that the 'shared' aggro overcomes the aoe spammers?

In my B'rel I know that I keep the hate of the entire sphere group in ISE for a good while when I open up on one lonely sphere in the group first (before anyone in the team). I know this because when I return to do a 2nd pass and I decloak, all the spheres in its group, even though they had aggro on team-mates that are shooting at them, the entire sphere group swaps its aggro to me. I usually have to stay cloaked a bit longer and let my team add up their damage so i dont get instant aggro from multiples.

Also, a tank ship with threat control does not use single target fire. I guess we were both seeing this from different perspectives.

So, from my observations as someone who only targets single targets, Threat Control does not increase threat generation of the entire group for a sustained amount of time. Which is why I'm not concerned about a single NPC targeting me (if it's the invisible torpedo, I'm space dust either way, as I still manage to generate enough aggro without Threat Control).
My experience is different. In my b'rel that has never had threat control I still keep the aggro of the npc group for a good while even if my team of other escorts shoot it.

I think it has to do with torpedo damage..or the damage for hate purposes as being read as 'gross output' not 'net applied' damage ( aka, torpedo hits npc shields for 100 (10,000) dmg.. the hate may be based off the 10k number not the 100). I know I do not experience the hate retention of my b'rel in my single target cannon hegh'ta.

But even in the cannon bop I still would not use threat control. Forbids me from flying aoe high dmg ships since id be forced to tank in them.

But, I suppose if you are using AOE attacks as your primary attack, then I could see how Threat Control would be a bad idea. Since I don't use AOE attacks, it's not as big a concern for me.
If it works for you its fine. I personally disagree with the use of threat control for birds of prey.