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How different would Starfleet have been if Romulans--instead of Vulcans--had been the ones that made first contact?
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# 2
02-05-2010, 04:48 PM
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How different would Starfleet have been if Romulans--instead of Vulcans--had been the ones that made first contact?

And what if that contact had been made with beavers?


Regardless of beavers or humans I suspect there would be no starfleet and earth would just be a subject of the Romulan Empire. Rather you might have a prolonged guerilla war ala Bajor.
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02-05-2010, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackwheel
And what if that contact had been made with beavers?


Regardless of beavers or humans I suspect there would be no starfleet and earth would just be a subject of the Romulan Empire. Rather you might have a prolonged guerilla war ala Bajor.
What ifs are sometimes fun. Don't have to beat me with beavers.

The reason I ask, I was reading the Star Trek Novelization (don't hate me). THis line:

Nero sighed. "Centuries ago, before the Vulcan High Council decided to reveal themselves to the people of Earth in order to inform them that they were not alone in the universe, and to invite them into the Federation, we would occasionally observe your species from a distance." He paused. "You are a more noble race than our deplorable fallen cousins."


It made me wonder. What if the Romulans had made first contact and decided to be our mentors, similar to how the Vulcans did, but with Romulan philosophies.

I think we would have been very much like the Mirror Mirror folks...
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02-05-2010, 04:59 PM
And yes, I'm aware of the incorrect statements in that line. No Federation yet, etc etc. I just found the premise intriguing.
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02-05-2010, 08:26 PM
Yes, it would be like the mirrorverse. But that's all the Romulans are as an empire to begin with. Think about it. Treachery, military occupations, xenophobia, slaves, the state above all else except maybe yourself kind of thinking. The Romulan Star Empire is basically the same as the Terran Empire except with aliens instead of humans. All your suggesting is placing humans on the low end of that spectrum instead of the top.

Not knocking it though, it'd be an interesting piece to see played out. But only because we could always use more in-depth Romulan stories.

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02-05-2010, 08:29 PM
If Klingons had made first contact.
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# 7
02-06-2010, 12:38 AM
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How different would Starfleet have been if Romulans--instead of Vulcans--had been the ones that made first contact?
Beavers aside (but there is a fun discussion here about lack of opposable thumbs and acess to charged particle beam weapons by a non-sentient species.)

While there is a great potential discussion of a protracted gureilla war on earth (after all conquering the earth via orbital bombardment by the Romulans is almost a no way to resist at the convential level discussion) but setting resiting them aside; there remains two questions:

1- Did the Romulans practise genocide on planets they conquered? If yes, not sure there would be an earth with humans in the future. If no, then the door is left rather ajar.

2- Why assume the "good guys" put up a fight? Maybe the Romulans find the philosphy of Islamic Fundimentalism to their liking and through force of arms the earth turns into fundimentalist stooge of the Romulan Empire? If that isn't to one's liking then put your favorite flavor tyranny in it's place. Perhaps the old Star Trek let's bring back the Nazi's is a result?
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02-06-2010, 06:59 AM
I think if any other race other than Vulcans or a dozen or so other Federation races had made first contact with us, we would probably be enslaved or worse.

At least for the first 50 years.

We'd revolt... cry out for freedom and all things good... begin to quote the declaration of independence... and create wormsigns the likes of which even God has never seen
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# 9
02-06-2010, 10:01 PM
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How different would Starfleet have been if Romulans--instead of Vulcans--had been the ones that made first contact?
First think about this, vulcans and romulans are two sides of the same coin, one embraced logic while the other embrassed their passions. I always saw the two factions as the two extremes of what the humans were possible of being. We can be extremely passionate (not just sexually :p ) and we can also be extremely logical, and most of us tend to sit somewhere in the middle.

The federation formed when vulcan logic tempered human "passions" and lead to a civilization based on peace, coexistence, and "what is best for all."

I imagine if humanity had met a "mentor" race that taught the embracing of passions over logic, ie romulans, that the "federation" would have been more of an empire founded on "the strongest rule" IE if the humans didn't join the romulans they would have been the center of an empire very similar in its creed and values. they wouldn't nescessarily be warlike such as the klingons (after all the romulan empire wasn't truely warlike), but they would be very "selfcentric" focusing on what is best for humanity, not "what is best for all" like the vulcan based federation is.
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02-07-2010, 03:19 AM
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First think about this, vulcans and romulans are two sides of the same coin, one embraced logic while the other embrassed their passions. I always saw the two factions as the two extremes of what the humans were possible of being. We can be extremely passionate (not just sexually :p ) and we can also be extremely logical, and most of us tend to sit somewhere in the middle.

The federation formed when vulcan logic tempered human "passions" and lead to a civilization based on peace, coexistence, and "what is best for all."

I imagine if humanity had met a "mentor" race that taught the embracing of passions over logic, ie romulans, that the "federation" would have been more of an empire founded on "the strongest rule" IE if the humans didn't join the romulans they would have been the center of an empire very similar in its creed and values. they wouldn't nescessarily be warlike such as the klingons (after all the romulan empire wasn't truely warlike), but they would be very "selfcentric" focusing on what is best for humanity, not "what is best for all" like the vulcan based federation is.
very good logic you must be a vulcan.

personally I give in to my passions but then I'm Romulan.
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