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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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I'll point out what I've seen.

I've never seen anyone cloak grief, yet. It may exist, but I haven't seen it.

I have entered a PvP match where I was the only Klingon and the Feds were shouting for a nonexistent "us" to uncloak. I don't. I do say in zone chat that we all aren't here. I full impulse around trying to see if I can find other Klingons. It can take two or three minutes for all Klingons to come in sometimes. Those 2-3 minutes can seem like an eternity and "cloak griefing" to the Feds.

Once the team is formed (if it is a good PUG) we go over and see the composition of the Feds. We spot and call out the escorts. This can take up to 2 minutes as we fly to them and chat about the best way to open on the escort and the second ship after the escort.

These four minutes are hell for the Feds, but don't blame us, blame the queue and our playing the game correctly.

After that, once we open up, we only cloak to escape destruction and to heal/regroup/set up the next attack.


I did enter a HvH arena and saw no one. I uncloaked and flew around. No one. After two minutes I understood what the Feds where talking about, but as annoying as it was, I was uncloaked and no one shot at me. That's because no one was there. After a few more minutes a few ships opened up on me so I cloaked. Some of my team finally got in and the match began.

While I admit that some "less than brilliant" Klingons might Cloak Grief, I think a more reasonable scenario is that an incomplete team of Klingons started fighting, lost, and one or more of them left for some reason (could have been a good one, like real life issues). After that the remaining Klingon waits for more to show up. And the Feds think they are just hiding for spite.



I do know that when with my fleet (in a premade and vent) we sometimes cloak and speak a little strategy if the fight is close. The opposing Feds are obviously good or better than our team so they understand what we are doing. We take a minute, it may take 2 to set up. These Feds might joke about it, but they understand what we are doing.



Since I see no reason for cloak griefing, I'm not really sure that that's what happens when Feds don't see Klingons. Maybe they're just not there.

One also has to consider the patience factor. Sometimes I'll see a good poker player think for a while on the river before doing anything. Usually one bad player loses patience and says, "Well, call, fold or raise!!!" The bad player isn't even aware of what there is to think about, and no one says anything.

Some Feds may equate PvE to PvP. Let's go, let's go. Let's fight, let's fight. Pew, pew time. Some people feel the 30 seconds as 30 minutes.

Just something to think about.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-07-2010, 05:11 AM
All I do is space pvp over and over as a Klingon, and I have seen this too.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
02-07-2010, 05:31 AM
If they can't click on the report button and figure out how many people are in the game...

It's not worth explaining.
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# 4
02-07-2010, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Adhok
If they can't click on the report button and figure out how many people are in the game...

It's not worth explaining.
You know, I've tried doing that and nothing seems to happen. Just how do you get it to show who is there?
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# 5
02-07-2010, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
You know, I've tried doing that and nothing seems to happen. Just how do you get it to show who is there?
The report button works, has always worked.

Step 1. Hit Escape
Step 2. Click Re-arrange HUD
Step 3. Pull the PvP window down below the quest window
Step 4. Profit

Enjoy

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Also to the individual claiming that Klingons have an advantage because we can always ensure that we start the game with 5, when Feds cannot..

Plenty of us WAIT till you have 5, unless asked otherwise (believe it or not this has happened) because we don't want ****** games.
Lt. Commander
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# 6
02-07-2010, 05:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adhok
If they can't click on the report button and figure out how many people are in the game...

It's not worth explaining.
The report button hasn't worked for me since day2 of head start, however /pvpreport does work.

Type /pvpreport to see who is in the zone
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# 7
02-07-2010, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by To3cutter View Post
The report button hasn't worked for me since day2 of head start, however /pvpreport does work.

Type /pvpreport to see who is in the zone
Thanks! I will try that next time.

Sure, if they are hiding for spite a GM should be summoned.
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# 8
02-07-2010, 05:39 AM
click near the bottom of the scoreboard (the quest menu seems to block it or something) then it should let you click the report button.
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# 9
02-07-2010, 05:53 AM
I do not call cloak griefing if no
Klingons show themselves right away. I know they're probably circling around us Feds, picking out the weakling, the lowlevel, the escort, etc. They're probably grouping up just off our starboard bows. It's almost exciting to know that there is an enemy with true AI lurking around -- one which could be just off your port nacelle ready to hit the guns.

I find PvP with Klingons who know their game rather fun. It's no fun fighting klingons who suck at using their appropriately assigned combat tactics (hit and cloak, sneak and destroy).

Cloak griefing has yet to become an issue in any instances I've been in.
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# 10
02-07-2010, 04:52 PM
I totaly agree with the OP here I have waited around in a PvP many times waiting for a Fed to spawn in. I just think when it hapends to Feds they assume we are cloaked up. Have I used my battle cloak to get away from the Feds to deny them a kill? Yes. Do I stay cloaked to annoy the other side? Never.
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