Lt. Commander
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Ok, I'm hoping to make a catalogue here of known STARSHIP MODEL issues. This means anything from phasers shooting out from nowhere, to clipping textures, visual glitches and Canon inconsistencies.

PLEASE, post ONLY if you have any NEW info on issues or inconsistencies any ship might have, as posting info already found here will only hamper my efforts to update this thread.

If you are only here to flame or whine or otherwise argue semantics, PLEASE GTFO NOW!



Federation:

*ship part registries are glitchy, can replace NCC number with 987098709870:
(Post 24th March, this seems to affect ALL ships at random during customization)

Tier 1

Light Cruiser:
*Centaur has windows and escape pods on Impulse Engines - Makes no sense

Canon Inconsistencies:
*Miranda saucer front has two window lines, not one, Rearward windowing also improper


Tier 2

Escort:
*Saber Nacelles attach at different points, making them lopsided
*Ushann hull and Saber Saucer clip at front
*Various Trail Errors

Science Vessel:
Canon Inconsistencies:
*Deflector is incorrectly textured
*Indented Windows on Saucer missing, but their indents aren't

Cruiser:
*Excalibur, Vesper lacks proper Shuttle Bay
*Torpedoes do not launch from Torp Bay in the Neck (unconfirmed)
*Vesper windowing between Hull/Neck joint clipping

Canon Inconsistencies:
*Saucer has two window lines on side, not one. Missing recreation deck on right back of saucer rim as well.
*Arboretum windows on sides of second hull missing
*Saucer should not have windows on main area of upper Saucer, underside Windows are wrong
*Strongback paint missing on all materials: 1 2
*Missing VIP lounge on back of upper Saucer
*Shuttle Bay Doors are dome shaped like TOS, not cone shaped like TMP Canon. Red upper lights missing.
*Outer nacelle grills are supposed to be unlit


Tier 3

Heavy Escort:
Canon Inconsistencies:
*Unnecessary vertical pylons on rear hull (block between nacelles) (1)
*Rear hull supposed to house Deflector (2)
*Nacelles not integrated into Saucer (3)
*Gap on Saucer front too wide (4)
*Saucer front too spherical.


Research Science Vessel:
Canon Inconsistencies:
*Radically different model
-Olympic doesn't have a Deflector in middle of Saucer

Heavy Cruiser:
*Third Cheyenne Impulse leaves no trail


Tier 4

Tactical Escort:
*No Cannon/Turret/Dual Beam points
*No Torp Launchers
*No Phaser strips

Canon Inconsistencies:
*No light showing ship's Name (This only appears a few times in DS9. Could be Optional?)
*Main Deflector front not angled downwards enough
*Rear Nacelles glow not glowy enough (Material Type2a also much deeper blue)

LR Science Vessel:
*Discovery, Cochrane Saucers (nearly) blocking forward torp launchers

Canon Inconsistencies:
*The STO model depicts Canon Aft Torp Launchers as Impulse Engines
*The Canon Impulse Engines are Blue, not Red per Canon, and leave no trail
*New Aft Torps underneath Shuttle doors are New!
*Saucer (Secondary) Deflector Dish isn't supposed to be lit up
*Nacelles do not move up when preparing for Warp
*Saucer upper deck, aft hull tip windowing incorrect

Exploration Cruiser:
*Various texture issues, canonical stuff, etc
*EXCESSIVE size difference between models

Canon Inconsistencies:
*Saucer too thick around the edge
*The strip that comes down the center of the rear hull is about twice as tall as it should be
*Nacelle pylons should not attach underneath hull tail, should blend smoothly into it
*Escape pods are arranged in a single ring around the outside of Saucer, opposed to Canon
*Neck Impulse Engine should be further down and shaped like an oblong box
*None of the materials mimick the look of Canon Galaxy


Tier 5

Advanced Escort:
*Dual Cannons/Beams on top Nacelle tips?!
*Prometheus Lower Nacelles do not glow during Warp Out sequence (Possibly also on other models)
*Prometheus and Phoenix don't have windows on lower Hull
*Cerberus lower Hull windows don't change with Window selection. They are always Type 1
*When pressing Cerberus preset in Ship Customization, lower Hull is set to Prometheus
*UV map for the saucer section of the Prometheus produces "wavy" lines with texture's panels

Canon Inconsistencies:
*Area near main Deflector where Hull joins to Saucer is very strangely shaped. Should look more like Sovereign's/General Model inconsistency to Canon

Fleet Escort:
*Dervish Saucer: Flickering lights on underside.

Recon Science Vessel:
*No blinking lights opposed to other ships
*Polaris Nacelle Buzzards have different 'backlight' texturing

Canon Inconsistencies:
*Escape pods are in wrong place, shouldn't be a ring around bottom of saucer
*Large windows (Arboretum-like as Constitution) are missing on Hull
*Lots of Canonical errors, Extensive windowing inconsistencies, missing lower pods, etc


Deep Space Science Vessel:
*No window selection
*Destiny Mission Pod shares texture with Deflector, looks bad with Material 2.

Assault Cruiser:
*Imperial: NecroWulf drops it like it's hot
*Imperial parts lock Windows to 1.

Canon Inconsistencies:
*Missing Phaser strips on nacelles
*Deflector not yellow
*No red stripes/decals along hull
*Saucer edges too thick
*Missing lights on Neck and Saucer
*Engine Blocks too large, Engine Texturing could be different

*Saucer should be Smoother
*Pylons should be straightened out



Star Cruiser:
*Avenger pylons are Asymmetrical, making Nacelles lopsided
*Hull/Saucer joints are jaggy
*Saucer Impulses leave no trail
*Avenger Saucer(Hull): Ship number/registry twisting and obscured by parts
*Avenger Saucer+Other Hull: Pods are obscured

Issues and Errors List continues two posts down!
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-12-2010, 03:46 AM
Star cruiser:

The forward swept pylons of the Vanguard class are not symmetrical. One sticks further forward than the other, making the nacelles lob-sided.
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# 3
02-12-2010, 03:48 AM
OP CONTINUES HERE!!!


Klingon:
*Most Canon Klingon ship designs in STO appear to be scaled 'against' Federation ships, and as such aren't even close to Canon scale.
*Basic Hull color is a different green than Canon. Perhaps make it a material choice?
*Where Is the K'Vort?


Tier 2:

Quldun BoP:
Quldun BoP Canon Inconsistencies:
*This ship uses the Enterprise series warship design that, for all intents and purposes, looks like an older B'Rel design. It seems highly unlikely that it would be superior to a ship about 100 years newer.


Tier 3:

Norghi BoP:
Norghi BoP Canon Inconsistencies:
*This is an ENT series-based model, sharing much of the design philosophy of the Tier2. It could at least be more 'TMP/TNG' like like it's actual predecessor, the B'Rel.

K'Tinga Cruiser:
K'Tinga Canon Inconsistencies:
*IT IS NOT A K'TINGA - It's a D7: (Thank you Tain for the excellent image)
-Aft section is entirely the wrong shape.
-Impulse engines are the wrong shape and location: current STO (D7), Canon K'Tinga.
-Due to above, The Aft Torp Launcher is missing.
-Reactor buldge on the belly is missing (k't'inga feature, not present in D7)
-Head is that of a D7: no bow flattening, bridge tower is level with bridge dome like a D7, should be taller.
-the dome shaped neck bubble immediately behind the head where the officer's mess/lounge is located is missing.
-Only two window rows in STO model, as per D7, Canon K'Tinga has 4 on head, 2 on brim, 2 on head itself.


Tier 4:

Ki'Tang BoP:
Ki'Tang BoP Canon Inconsistencies:
*This is an ENT series-based model, sharing much of the design philosophy of the Tier2. It could at least be more 'TMP/TNG' like like it's predecessor, the B'Rel.
*Why is this ship not the K'Vort, a well known heavy attack ship?

Tier 5:

Hegh'Ta BoP:
Hegh'Ta BoP Canon Inconsistencies:
*This is an ENT series-based model, sharing much of the design philosophy of the Tier2. It could at least be more 'TMP/TNG' like like it's actual predecessor, the B'Rel.
*Why is this ship not the K'Vort, a well known heavy attack ship?


Romulan:

Romulan BoP:
Canon Inconsistencies:
*Model used is that of the Romulan warship seen in Enterprise. It doesn't fit all that well in STO.

Mogai Escort:
Canon Inconsistencies:
*It's name: It's most commonly known as the Valdore-Type, or the Norexan-Class
*Possible Scaling issue. (not confirmed)

D'Deridex Warbird:
Canon Inconsistencies:
*Possibly underscaled. It is supposed to be (at least) one KILOMETER long, larger than even a Galaxy Class. (available data varies from 1.042km to 1.353km)


Miscellaneoust:
Doomsday Machine:
Canon inconsistencies:
*STO model has much rougher design, as opposed to TOS (remastered).


Thanks to the following people for contributing (heavily) to this list:
Klaitu
Forgotten-Nemesis
Cruis.In
BlackWyvern
Alexraptor
Tutalchamen
RoydEris
Tain
dirtyklingon
LIFEFORM
AlphaOmega35
SuperDuper22bw
Maschinengeist
WarpVis
Brynthe
Callasan
NecroWulf
Seether
Valiant797
desseb
Vallinor
vampiric_hoshi
krako
Klystron
Genex
Morbius1
stevens_uk
AngelSilhouette

And finally, a TON of thanks to Cryptic Team Members mtattersall, lightning_strike and CapnLogan!
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# 4
02-12-2010, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by -Jes-
THANK YOU Forgotten-Nemesis, for adding to the thread.
It really pi$$ed me off too because the forward swept design is the only one I like.
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# 5
02-12-2010, 04:28 AM
the defiant nose is wrong and not angled down enough. it also has no light on the saucer area showing the number and name like the other ships in game do and like it should rightly have.

the nacele aft area do not glow the correct blue. or have no 'light' aspect at all. model is overall poorly lit.
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# 6
02-12-2010, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruis.In View Post
the defiant nose is wrong and not angled down enough. it also has no light on the saucer area showing the number and name like the other ships in game do and like it should rightly have.

the nacele aft area do not glow the correct blue. or have no 'light' aspect at all. model is overall poorly lit.


The Defiant never had a light showing the ship name. And the ships registry number was in small print on the front end of the nose if I recall correctly from DS9. And i don't think the nose is as angled down as people seem to want to remember (though I haven't seen any in game yet).

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/68/DefiantDS9.jpg
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# 7
02-13-2010, 05:31 AM
I made a mistake before. The Vanguard pylons are fine. Its the Avenger pylons that are lob-sided.
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# 8
02-13-2010, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by superduper22bw View Post
Nova. The forward torpedoes are suppose to be on the tip of the nose on either side of the sensor array. There are notches there already for them on Cryptic's model. But they stuck the torpedoes down below the primary hull and above the deflector dish where the Intrepid has them.

Horizon shoots its torpedoes down.
Noted. Post edited.

Horizon is then confirmed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forgotten-Nemesis View Post
I made a mistake before. The Vanguard pylons are fine. Its the Avenger pylons that are lob-sided.
Post edited.
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# 9
02-14-2010, 05:15 AM
For details/references on the Galaxy:

The strip that comes down the center of the rear hull is about twice as tall as it should be; also, the rear torpedo launcher is missing in STO.
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/me...ulse_drive.jpg

The nacelle pylons attach underneath the tail, whereas they should blend smoothly into the tail.
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...er-sheet-6.jpg

The saucer is WAY too thick at the edge; it's supposed to come to more of a point.
The saucer's profile from the side is not supposed to be symmetrical from top to bottom; the 'bulge' underneath the saucer is suppoed to be smaller underneath than on top.
The 'neck' actually extends up further than the saucer in STO; it's almost as though the saucer needs to be lifted up to be aligned properly.
The escape pods are NOT supposed to be arranged in a single ring around the outside of the saucer.
The saucer's upper and lower phaser strips are NOT supposed to go all the way around; the upper strip is supposed to be interrupted by Shuttle Bay 1, and the lower strip is supposed to be interrupted by the 'neck'; these five points can be seen in the pics referenced below:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/me..._class_aft.jpg
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...er-sheet-4.jpg
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars...er-sheet-3.jpg

The torpedo launcher in the neck is completely missing; torps seem to launch from beside the deflector dish in the STO model.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/me...o_launcher.jpg

Then there's the simple fact that the texturing is WAY off. All in all, there's so much that needs to be changed, it might be better to just start over in regards to the Galaxy class.

I realize I'm being picky, but this thread is all about the details.

Edit: The Centaur model has escape pods on the tops of the two impulse engines...not really sure how an escape pod would fit in there, lol.
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# 10
02-15-2010, 08:03 AM
Maschinengeist: Thank you, especially for all the detailed links.

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