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# 1 PvP How do you win?
06-08-2010, 09:57 PM
Just had a go at a PvP map and the klingons just kill you within a few seconds.

So how are you ment to win??
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# 2
06-08-2010, 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGS-BOIII
Just had a go at a PvP map and the klingons just kill you within a few seconds.

So how are you ment to win??
In brief - teamwork. In general terms, if two hostiles target one friendly, the friendly might last a little while alone. When its one friendly against five the friendly does not last long. The way to stop the focus fire from simply obliterating one ship at a time the friendlies need to support each other and have a focus fire response of their own. There are skill combinations that work well when used as a team making them more valuable than if they are used randomly.

The advantage Klingons truly get with cloak is they can remain hidden while they pull their team together. Feds have to do it fast and in full view of their opponents. Different start conditions but the end result is the same - the organised team has the initiative.
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# 3
06-09-2010, 12:06 AM
wait you nearly got me.
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# 4
06-09-2010, 02:34 AM
Team up early and often. Stay together with your team. Figure out your roles in the team - who heals, who can bring the spike damage, Who can disrupt the enemy. Sometimes you can tell by looking at the ship (Hint: The escort is probably not your healer in this match, and the science ship is not there to spike through a enemies cruiser shields!).

I know it's not always easy. I suck at organizing my team. After my initial "Hi" and "I am your [blabla]" it's typically over in communciations. I hesitate to give brief infos in chat. Be better then me on that regard. Beyond that - support your team. Stick with them, give them healing when you can, focus fire on their targets, disrupt enemies harassing your allies with concentrated firepower.

For yourself only. Keep moving - don't be a stationary target. Keep your self-heals ready. Know when to use them. (Damage Resistance needs to come early, healing when you get the most out of it.) Keep balancing your shields.
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# 5
06-09-2010, 02:40 AM
And for the sake of all things holy.....stay out of the middle cloud of distraction.
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# 6
06-09-2010, 03:19 AM
1) team up
2) heal each other
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# 7
06-09-2010, 08:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGS-BOIII
Just had a go at a PvP map and the klingons just kill you within a few seconds.

So how are you ment to win??
If it's your first pvp, you'll probably find your BO skills are not that adequate.

a) Generally fedball right at the beginning and stay together tightly.
b) Do not full impulse to the first visible Klingon - chances are it's either a tank or a decoy... Or both.
c) Do not go outside the healing range of your healer (if there is one). If not, still don't go outside the healing range of other ships.
d) Never go it alone.
e) Focus fire on one target.
f) Normally go after escorts/Bird-of-Preys first.
g) If you have heals, heal those in need.
h) Always believe that there's a cloaked Klingon just behind you, waiting for you to make any mistake. Chances are, there is.
i) Never go looking for Klingons, they're cloaked. I know this is a duh comment, but it's surprising how many people don't realise this when zipping off to the other sides initial spawn point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostish
Which are shortly forgotten anyhow. I remember how people perform during the match, than the end game score.

I often think, $^%$%^, it whats his/her name. This will suck.
I do that all the time, especially if Santa Claws or Blackjack are involved.
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# 8
06-09-2010, 08:55 AM
Look at your build first... whats your offensive to defensive ratio on your BO skills. How many shield heals do you have... how many hull heals do you have. When you make your build decide on the role your going to play an make sure you balance your skills accordingly. I try and make sure I have some hull heal and some shield heal... and choosing ones you can cast on others is a good idea. (no matter what class ship you have)

Learn to Distribute your shields... a keybind for that is probaly a good idea. Also learn what powers give you resists and use them BEFORE you take damage. The 30% or so resist from an emergency power to shields does you no good if your using it to rebuild shields AFTER they have been removed.

If you are in a pug and not that well organized learn to switch to the target someone else is working on if you need too. Pugs groups can do well even if they only somewhat focus their fire.

Also on the fed ball... use it but be prepared to jump out quick if things go south. I LOVE smacking a tight fedball with cannon scatter volley... be ready to hit evasive and move just out side of any scatter arc. Don't run too far or your leaving your teamamtes in the lurch. Evasive M is one of the most powerful PVP tools IMHO... it is up every 45 seconds... Its good to practice and no how long it lasts you and how far it will get you and how much turn it will provide. After a ton of practice I know exactly when mine is about to expire and I can use inertia to spin me into a perfect arc shoot. It is also great for escape or to get out of someones arc... if you need to as things have really gone south and engine batt + Evasive = major distance.
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# 9
06-09-2010, 09:13 AM
Best thing you can do is keep practicing with the same 4 other people who aren't afraid to sacrifice their builds for builds that are more beneficial to what you wish to accomplish.

Practice, tinker, practice some more, tinker.

By playing all the time together you learn how they play, pretty soon they become infinitely reliable AND you'll notice you start winning all the time. If you happen to possess a kill 'em all instinct, you start to get mad when your team makes mistakes or when you die.

Then you're a legitimate PvP winner without having to buck the system.
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# 10
06-09-2010, 09:19 AM
Asteroids, I like asteroids.

Wait till one of your enemies runs into an asteroid and his team mates leave him. Easy kill.

Hide behind an asteroid so that only your target can see you. Another easy kill.

Another thing I like to do is to fly really close to my team mates so that I am hitting the same shield facing as him. Then apply as many debuffs to the target as possible, and as many buffs to me as possible. And then get another easy kill.

This PvP is not brain surgery. Follow the principles laid down by 孫武in his book 孫子兵法 and you won't go far wrong. Or as the Klingons say, Hit hard, Fear no-one, Engage cloak, Run away.
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