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Lt. Commander
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My point has been made.
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# 2
06-15-2010, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Aenorn
My point has been made.

you think their money hogs? please go play world of ******** and see how they charge 25 dollars for most of their game transactions to do anything with your chracters thank you that is all.
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06-15-2010, 02:27 PM
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you think their money hogs? please go play world of ******** and see how they charge 25 dollars for most of their game transactions to do anything with your chracters thank you that is all.
@Kronoso: Right, right. It's not like those are things you could've prevented yourself if you wanted to, right? Name change, faction change, race change. Yeah, it's not like YOU could've chosen the other race.

@Grouchy.Otaku: I'm sorry, but I didn't fork up $60 (Many people paid much much more), and continue to pay $15 a month for them to release TONS of content that I need to pay even MORE for.

MMO's have 2 general categories.

- Free to play, with the option to purchase many things for money.
- Paid subscription, with few/no paid DLC.

Cryptic seems to have combined those, paying monthly AND for content. They've made it completely clear they're in this for nothing but the money. They released the game unfinished (Clearly) and with DLC ON LAUNCH DAY. That means they intentionally left things out of the game so they could get money for them after we've already paid for the game. They then proceed to release more Paid DLC than ANY OTHER PAID MMO within the first 5 months. INCLUDING The pre-order/limited/deluxe/special edition items that people paid FAR MORE MONEY FOR BEFORE-HAND.
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06-15-2010, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aenorn
@Kronoso: Right, right. It's not like those are things you could've prevented yourself if you wanted to, right? Name change, faction change, race change. Yeah, it's not like YOU could've chosen the other race.

@Grouchy.Otaku: I'm sorry, but I didn't fork up $60 (Many people paid much much more), and continue to pay $15 a month for them to release TONS of content that I need to pay even MORE for.

MMO's have 2 general categories.

- Free to play, with the option to purchase many things for money.
- Paid subscription, with few/no paid DLC.

Cryptic seems to have combined those, paying monthly AND for content. They've made it completely clear they're in this for nothing but the money. They released the game unfinished (Clearly) and with DLC ON LAUNCH DAY. That means they intentionally left things out of the game so they could get money for them after we've already paid for the game. They then proceed to release more Paid DLC than ANY OTHER PAID MMO within the first 5 months. INCLUDING The pre-order/limited/deluxe/special edition items that people paid FAR MORE MONEY FOR BEFORE-HAND.

Edit: @ThomasGideon: I understand that, my point is that Cryptic is screwing everyone over in the process.
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# 5
06-15-2010, 02:37 PM
So, you're saying that Cryptic are a business focussed on profit making. Touché! point well made.
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06-15-2010, 02:38 PM
I'm just a little miffed with the fact a lot of pre order items are now being sold on the C Store. But at the same token we guessed this would happen way back at launch. I just wished I didn't go out and buy a CE edition to go with my Digi Deluxe just for the damn Enterprise now. Ahh well I guess I learned my lesson - don't re buy a game for it's exclusives lol.
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# 7
06-15-2010, 03:04 PM
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So, you're saying that Cryptic are a business focussed on profit making. Touché! point well made.
Look, obviously they're a company and they need to profit. However, it seems to be getting out of hand.

- We're already paying a monthly fee of $15 just to have them add another 10+ dollars worth of paid DLC every month as well. Isn't the whole point of paid subscription MMO's to continue paying because they're going to continue to release content for you, not continue to release content for you to buy?

- Selling the pre-order/Special edition things is just too far in my opinion. If they sold them for the same prices that you paid for them originally it wouldn't be -as- bad (though still bad in my book), but people bought multiple copies of the game to get these, at the time, exclusive items, and now you can buy them for $5-$10 at the C-store.

- Not to mention their point system is built specifically to make you pay more than you'd actually want to. Any point system that's created this way is clearly made to screw customers. It's not like it isn't possible to sell the items/points at even value. You're 10 points away from getting that Ship? Well, buy another 500 points and you'll be able to afford it.

- Other MMO's have had success with the same or less amount of subscribers as Star Trek Online, with little to no Paid DLC. Star Trek online literally has more paid DLC than any other monthly subscription MMO, and it hasn't even been out for half a year. If they keep this pace up, a year or two from now they'll have $150+ worth of paid DLC in their store. Plus the $15 I'm paying them a month, Plus the $60+ dollars I payed for the game.
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# 8
06-15-2010, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Aenorn

MMO's have 2 general categories.

- Free to play, with the option to purchase many things for money.
- Paid subscription, with few/no paid DLC.

Cryptic seems to have combined those, paying monthly AND for content.
Sometimes games and game standards evolve.

I mean, there was a time when MMORPGs didn't quite exist, but MUDs did.

And in any event ... the thing many people are never going to face up to is ... in all of those old MMORPGs, like Everquest and World of ******** ... you could purchase in-game items for real cash.

Just not from the company. From third party sellers.

It is a HUGE business. That has been booming for years.

Ni hao my friends! NI HAO!
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# 9
06-15-2010, 03:11 PM
But Cryptic never promised that the Vendor's Perks were going to be 'Exclusive' for life. As stated in the Pre-Order FAQ...
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Q: Will the exclusives be offered as a microtransaction?

A: Not at launch, but somewhere down the road we may offer to let people purchases these if they did not pre-order.
http://www.startrekonline.com/preorder-faq
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# 10
06-15-2010, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Aenorn
@Grouchy.Otaku: I'm sorry, but I didn't fork up $60 (Many people paid much much more), and continue to pay $15 a month for them to release TONS of content that I need to pay even MORE for. .
So what would you rather have Cryptic do instead? Raise the subscription fees so you could have 'Free' access to all the stuff you don't need???
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