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Lt. Commander
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Like the title suggests... I was very excited to see new additions to the C-Store but wow, what a price difference. Before, things were like 200 cryptic points, etc. or if it WERE 400 it would open for ALL Character slots.

Now, Cryptic is trying to wiggle in 400 point sales that affect ONE CHARACTER which I believe is really setting a precedence - and a bad one at that.

400 points for 2 extra bridge officer slots... on ONE character.
400 points for 2 extra costume slots... on ONE character.
400 points for 2 extra ship slots... on ONE character.

Uh, Cryptic? That's low down and dirty - everything has been for ALL your characters and now you're trying to pull even MORE money by raising the prices and making these features only affect ONE character? You realize I LOVE your game and have like 6-7 characters that I play. This is a complete SLAP IN THE FACE.

EVERYONE wants extra costume pieces and knowing that your "marketing department" made it for a single character so that people would have to spend A LOT of money to get extra slots for all their characters.

That's low. I was ready to drop 1200 points TODAY to get all this stuff, now I'm ready to drop 0 points. Maybe in the future, who knows. But the difference is between NEEDING and WANTING. I WANTED.

I might NEED the character slots because I roleplay a lot, but that means you will eventually get 400 points instead of 1200.

Good job.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 2
07-15-2010, 03:34 PM
i still think cryptic dosnt get to set the price...

if you wanna blame anyone blame CBS, they are the ones ruining this game.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
07-15-2010, 03:48 PM
Honestly I'm not worried about these new additions. They are options to give flexibility to players. No one has to buy them. Per account would be nice but these are more "cosmetic" additions that all characters may not want/need.

Do all of your characters need more ships, BOffs, or costumes? I'd say no. From an RP perspective why would you need more than your base uniform and off duty uniform? Why would you be in more than one ship. Why would your Boff count exceed what we've seen from any Trek series.

From a gameplay standpoint the uniforms are cosmetic and affect nothing. The ships would be nice to have more options, but in the end if you wanted to you could have nearly all the T5 ships, including those coming in S2, so again not needed. BOffs add versatility but just as with skill planning you can plan around them and need more.

Nice features, nothing game breaking, and charging per character is fine. Pricing may be a little high, but not bad. They cost more than buying a single ship skin, costume pack, character slot, etc but not too high. After all these options open up all costume types that you have available in a new slot, all ship types you have available, and any BOff.
Lt. Commander
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# 4
07-15-2010, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lcars View Post
Nice features, nothing game breaking, and charging per character is fine. Pricing may be a little high, but not bad. They cost more than buying a single ship skin, costume pack, character slot, etc but not too high. After all these options open up all costume types that you have available in a new slot, all ship types you have available, and any BOff.
If the C-Store had started like that, sure I can buy it. But the game is only months old and it's slowly switching from every time being "account wide" to being "character specific" which is where I draw the line and find their tactics to be bordering on disgusting. If I'm wrong and tons of stuff keep coming out that is "account wide" then I will eat my words but to me this is the start of THEM testing the waters on how much we, the players, would be willing to shell out.

They tried it with the $25 doll Galaxy X and it seems like from the # of Galaxy X's I have seen that was a win for their marketing department, and has followed suit with raising the prices slightly and making things character specific to milk more money out of us (which I was HAPPY to do to improve the game I love when it was account specific).
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# 5
07-15-2010, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aslan_chShran View Post
If the C-Store had started like that, sure I can buy it. But the game is only months old and it's slowly switching from every time being "account wide" to being "character specific" which is where I draw the line and find their tactics to be bordering on disgusting. If I'm wrong and tons of stuff keep coming out that is "account wide" then I will eat my words but to me this is the start of THEM testing the waters on how much we, the players, would be willing to shell out.

They tried it with the $25 doll Galaxy X and it seems like from the # of Galaxy X's I have seen that was a win for their marketing department, and has followed suit with raising the prices slightly and making things character specific to milk more money out of us (which I was HAPPY to do to improve the game I love when it was account specific).
I will admit when I first saw teh announcment that the new features were going to be per account I was thinking "Hey, That would be a good idea. Have a discounted price for your stuff in the C-store if you buy it on a per character basis but still retain the current accoutn wide price for thsoe that would prefer that route." Then I saw it was just talking about its new fearures and that the prices were way out of whack based on the precident they have currently set. It's a bizzare choice but I am more baffled by the price than anything.

Especailly since there really isn't any need for more Boff space. I don't even fill my current roster because I tend to only ever used 4 or 5 of them anyway. More ships? Not really much call for that either since you tend to specialise in a certain type the way the skill tree is deswigned. More costumes? Again not really needed. Especially cincidering we can't change our Boffs uniforms on the fly to say nothing of the random crew on our bridge.
Lt. Commander
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# 6
07-15-2010, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Aslan_chShran View Post
If the C-Store had started like that, sure I can buy it. But the game is only months old and it's slowly switching from every time being "account wide" to being "character specific" which is where I draw the line and find their tactics to be bordering on disgusting. If I'm wrong and tons of stuff keep coming out that is "account wide" then I will eat my words but to me this is the start of THEM testing the waters on how much we, the players, would be willing to shell out.

They tried it with the $25 doll Galaxy X and it seems like from the # of Galaxy X's I have seen that was a win for their marketing department, and has followed suit with raising the prices slightly and making things character specific to milk more money out of us (which I was HAPPY to do to improve the game I love when it was account specific).
It's NOT switching bfrom "Everything Account Wide" to "Everything Per Character" at all. Seriously, the ONLY things that are character only atm (aside from renames and respecs which do make sense; and which other MMOs charge $15.00 per character on - WoW in particular) at of today are:

Extra BO slots (and BOs DO take up a fair amout of storage space so $2.50 a pop imo is reasonable)
Extra Ship slots (see above)
Extra Costume slots (and on this one I actually agree - it shopuld be account with as costume data ain't that much)

EVERYTHING ELSE is STILL account wide. So sorry, I don't see hoe 3 new items that are per character suddenly = EVERYTHING going per character.

IMO - people need to learn to pick their battles and noyt go into major nerdrage hyperbole on EVERY change Crytic does to the C-Store or the game - and lately no matter what they do, that's what's been happening. It's getting ridiculous.
Lt. Commander
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# 7
07-15-2010, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Armsman View Post
It's NOT switching bfrom "Everything Account Wide" to "Everything Per Character" at all. Seriously, the ONLY things that are character only atm (aside from renames and respecs which do make sense; and which other MMOs charge $15.00 per character on - WoW in particular) at of today are:

Extra BO slots (and BOs DO take up a fair amout of storage space so $2.50 a pop imo is reasonable)
Extra Ship slots (see above)
Extra Costume slots (and on this one I actually agree - it shopuld be account with as costume data ain't that much)

EVERYTHING ELSE is STILL account wide. So sorry, I don't see hoe 3 new items that are per character suddenly = EVERYTHING going per character.

IMO - people need to learn to pick their battles and noyt go into major nerdrage hyperbole on EVERY change Crytic does to the C-Store or the game - and lately no matter what they do, that's what's been happening. It's getting ridiculous.

Explain the pricing compared to a new character slot. Lets use the 2 characters for 500 poitns.

Thats 250 per cahracter and each character comes with 3 costume slots, 8(?) ship slots and like 10 Boff slots. All together we are looking at 21 slots divided by 250 points. Not even counting the additional database requirements of the captain itself that comes to 12 cryptic points per slot. They are trying to charge us 200 points a slot now.

This isn't a database pricing issue. This is a scam.
Lt. Commander
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# 8
07-15-2010, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Armsman View Post
...IMO - people need to learn to pick their battles and noyt go into major nerdrage hyperbole on EVERY change Crytic does to the C-Store or the game - and lately no matter what they do, that's what's been happening. It's getting ridiculous.
some would argue: that Cryptic needs to pick thier marketing plans and not get thier customer base so worked up over poorly planned practices..... and lately no matter what they do, that's what's been happening. it's getting rediculous.
Lt. Commander
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# 9
07-15-2010, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Armsman View Post
It's NOT switching bfrom "Everything Account Wide" to "Everything Per Character" at all. Seriously, the ONLY things that are character only atm (aside from renames and respecs which do make sense; and which other MMOs charge $15.00 per character on - WoW in particular) at of today are:

Extra BO slots (and BOs DO take up a fair amout of storage space so $2.50 a pop imo is reasonable)
Extra Ship slots (see above)
Extra Costume slots (and on this one I actually agree - it shopuld be account with as costume data ain't that much)

EVERYTHING ELSE is STILL account wide. So sorry, I don't see hoe 3 new items that are per character suddenly = EVERYTHING going per character.

IMO - people need to learn to pick their battles and noyt go into major nerdrage hyperbole on EVERY change Crytic does to the C-Store or the game - and lately no matter what they do, that's what's been happening. It's getting ridiculous.
What are you talking about? How does an extra bridge officer or ship slot take up a lot of storage space? How does an extra costume take up LESS space than a ship slot? Let me try to state why I bring it up because I've seen this and similar used as reasons and it doesn't make sense to me.

There are limited amount of configurations for all three things, ship configurations are probably the smallest of the lot. You don't store the whole ship on the server, the model you see in game is rendered on your computer and other people's computers if they're near you. They're stored as options from the limited configuration on the server in a huge database of everything.

If we were talking about ultra high configuration options I might see it as having an impact on a database *if* it was to be pushed out to every player but let's be honest here, ships have very little options in configuration. Hull, nacelles, pylons, neck, saucer section and on a few ships there are missions pods, extra nacelles and other things I may have forgotten. All that might be stored as simple as possible, such as T5 AC H1 S1 P1 N1 Nk1 there would be additional information for colours, patterns and items fitted but that's about all that will be stored. I'm simplifying it but I think you get the idea.
Lt. Commander
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# 10
07-15-2010, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Aeleys
i still think cryptic dosnt get to set the price...

if you wanna blame anyone blame CBS, they are the ones ruining this game.
I think you mean Atari. CBS doesnt get to decide how much WE'RE charged, they just get to decide how much CRYPTIC is charged to use the IP.
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