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So since this game come out who here has an Idea of what are the hard numbers of the Federation Forces, Romulan Forces, KDF, Breen, Cardassians and the Gorn? Any one care to take a guess?

For me I would say the Federation would have no less then 10k Ships to keep their borders safe since they are so vast. Beside 10K ships is small in number, 10k Ships could also fit one one entire planet, it would be stupid of the Federation to have less then that to protect over 150 fifty worlds at last count.

KDF I would say 5K , small but miltaristic. Romulans- 3k. Gorn 3, Breen I would say about 5k for them. Space is vast those amount of ships would be buyt a small drop in the ocean that is known as the Alpha quadrant.
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# 2
12-04-2010, 06:18 PM
I'd say 55k Federation admirals, 15k Klink generals.
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12-04-2010, 07:44 PM
The Federation varies in size and strength from episode to episode.
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# 4
12-04-2010, 09:39 PM
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The Federation varies in size and strength from episode to episode.
Yeah, and I always preferred the "Best of Both Worlds" and old school Trek idea that Starfleet didn't have thousands of ship, but rather only a handful (after all, making a Starship is an incredible undertaking). Did not like the Deep Space Nine "copy and paste" where apparently there are 100,000 ships in Starfleet.

Yeah, right. And the Academy only takes a few dozen applicants each year and takes 4-6 years to complete. It's so strict BOTH Wesley Crush AND Captain Picard failed entrance exams the first time, but there's 100,00 ships of Starfleet Grads (who, also, are 90% Human, BTW).

Baloney. There's only a handful. Starfleet is the best of a billion, not a billion.
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# 5
12-04-2010, 09:47 PM
federation = a million ships of exploration

kdf = thousands of war ships

a war ship = alot more then 1 ship of exploration
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12-05-2010, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorSTAFF
Did not like the Deep Space Nine "copy and paste" where apparently there are 100,000 ships in Starfleet.
the most they ever suggested was about 10'000 based on a quote that at one point the combined power of the breen, cardassians and dominion stood at 30'000 (so roughly 10'000 per major power maybe with the dominion holding the bulk of the ships) so we can guess that the feds are similar placed.

so 100'000 is not right. and a large chunk of them where just fighters or hulls of ships with minimal skeleton crews.

either way its still a hell of a lot.
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# 7
12-06-2010, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ProfessorSTAFF
Yeah, and I always preferred the "Best of Both Worlds" and old school Trek idea that Starfleet didn't have thousands of ship, but rather only a handful (after all, making a Starship is an incredible undertaking). Did not like the Deep Space Nine "copy and paste" where apparently there are 100,000 ships in Starfleet.

Yeah, right. And the Academy only takes a few dozen applicants each year and takes 4-6 years to complete. It's so strict BOTH Wesley Crush AND Captain Picard failed entrance exams the first time, but there's 100,00 ships of Starfleet Grads (who, also, are 90% Human, BTW).

Baloney. There's only a handful. Starfleet is the best of a billion, not a billion.
Only officers go to the academy, most personnel on ships are enlisted members like Chief O'Brian. so each ship might only have a couple dozen officers on ships like galaxies or sovereigns. smaller ships like nova class and defiant class would likely have a dozen officers tops.

as for so few ships showing up at Wolf 359, you have to remember, that was basically a hasty defense against an unknown enemy, if they realy knew how powerful the borg were, there would likely have been a bigger fleet.
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# 8
12-05-2010, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lysander_X View Post
The Federation varies in size and strength from episode to episode.
I guess that's true. Trek has always been extremely vague when it comes to details - be it technology, biology or just simple numbers. In terms of STO, the usual MMO formula of a 40k'ish "eternal balance" between the opposing forces would seem to imply, same as with the Alliance and the Horde in WoW.

Sadly, it doesn't help that you blow up Typhoons and Negh'vars in droves. Could have been solved a little more elegant, imo.

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I'd say 55k Federation admirals, 15k Klink generals.
Good one.

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Did not like the Deep Space Nine "copy and paste" where apparently there are 100,000 ships in Starfleet.
Have to agree there. The battles of DS9 were quite epic and enjoyable, yet stood in a strong contrast to what we used to see in the other shows. Heck, Wolf 359 was 60 ships and they said that Starfleet was almost crippled because they lost them.
DS9 felt like the "more ships -> more explosions -> more viewers" kind of logic. Again, not saying I didn't enjoy it, but ... meh, it did feel very inflated, and unnecessarily so.

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Ronald Moore once said though that he would guess the numbers at around 30k. Although he based that off reasoning by starship registry numbers.
Which would include shuttlecraft and transports.
Registry numbers made a very odd "jump" from TNG to DS9, anyways. No idea what system they use - if they really just add +1 to each ship, or if they differentiate between ship categories, with the first one or two digits stating the ship's function (i.e. patrol frigate, explorer, etc).
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# 9
12-05-2010, 04:52 AM
If you want to know how many ships Starfleet has (or had) go and count the wrecks at Wolf 359. Also I guess they'll have recovered from that by now.
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# 10
12-05-2010, 07:17 AM
Just as how the show varied the size of the Federation [as mentioned above], there is no answer here. It's "whatever the writer needs it to be".

Everything recent has pointed to Starfleet being very large, however. Anachronisms like the uniqueness of Starfleet Academy [as if the military organisation of hundreds of homeworlds and thousands of colonies would have just a single campus!], or the size of the fleet at Wolf 359... don't really help.
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