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# 1 Escorts shafted
12-25-2010, 05:20 PM
I came into the game thinking that escorts, cruisers, science vessels would reflect the capabilities of their series counterparts. Come to find out that this is by no means the case. let me show you.

Science vessel in series: basic armament, basic armor, combat wise the weakest things in the whole fleet.
Science vessel in STO: So many heals and anomalies that you can't even get their shields down.

Cruiser Series: 12 phaser banks 2 or more torpedo launchers, high armor near max firepower. Very capable in nearly any fight.
Cruiser STO: ok you nailed the cruiser. 8 slots instead of the 14+ they should really have but balance wise very good.

Escort Series: Intrepid sized ship with more firepower than a sovereign. 18 or more phaser banks. 5 torpedo launchers. Fastest ships in the fleet. Better than average armor. Top of the line shields. Prometheus took out a Romulan cruiser in 1 or 2 shots completely destroying it in less than a couple of seconds.
Escort STO: Fewer Slots, slower, far weaker. How could the Prometheus take down a Romulan battle cruiser but I can't take out a cruiser's shields before I get destroyed? I can't even touch a science vessels shields much less their hull.

The Escort not only got shafted in that respect but also got shafted in the fact that while science and cruiser both have 2 refits to choose from escorts get shoved into the defiant rip off.
If you look at the chart escorts are missing 2 ships from their tree. Where is the advanced heavy escort?
Or the Advanced Escort Refit? Where is my Multi vector assault mode? The Defiant class bites for one main reason when you decloak yeah you get a little bonus defense to make up for the fact that you have no shields. you shields have to recharge from 0 that takes 20 seconds, your defense doesn't last that long. you come out of cloak your a sitting duck waiting for the shotgun.

Thanks STO you took some of the most advanced and tide turning ships in the series the weakest and most useless ships in the game then short changed us on the number of ships to choose from on top of it.
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# 2
12-25-2010, 05:27 PM
The Prometheus is only an Escort by STO definition.

The canon Prometheus was a fair sized warship with the most advanced military technology Starfleet had available.
Also your overrating the Prometheus capabilities, as all the romulan warbirds had already sustained a fair amount of damage before the Prometheus engaged MVAM.

But even canon ships like the Defiant and Prometheus are definitely not more powerful than a Sovereign or Galaxy class ship.
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# 3
12-25-2010, 05:36 PM
Keep in mind that there were something like three other ships in that battle alongside the Prometheus. It's not really established how damaged that Romulan ship was before the Prometheus got involved.

I think escorts can be very, very useful if used properly. It can't be just a "fly into the middle of the crowd" kind of deal, you have to time it properly. But a well-timed alpha strike from an escort can dismantle a cruiser very effectively. However, I do think that escorts need more attention and some new ships. Aside from the VA refits, Sci got the Nebula and Cruiser got the Excelsior but there's still nothing for the Escorts.
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# 4
12-25-2010, 05:46 PM
ok good points on that. yeah I think my main problem is that they did shaft us on the ships. I still want MVA though.
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# 5
12-25-2010, 05:50 PM
STO can't be run like the TV shows. In the shows Escorts have an "I win" button but in a game, especially a multi-player game rather then a single-player game, there needs to be balance between the ship Classes. Escorts can't win all the time like they do in the shows. If they did no one would ever play anything but an Escort in a combat game.
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# 6
12-25-2010, 05:57 PM
Prometheus refit with MVAM similar to the Galaxy refit would be sweet
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# 7
12-27-2010, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by atemporal View Post
Aside from the VA refits, Sci got the Nebula and Cruiser got the Excelsior but there's still nothing for the Escorts.
I already collect VA/RA emblems with my main for that ship
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# 8
12-27-2010, 02:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild-Fox
Escort Series: Intrepid sized ship with more firepower than a sovereign. 18 or more phaser banks. 5 torpedo launchers. Fastest ships in the fleet. Better than average armor. Top of the line shields. Prometheus took out a Romulan cruiser in 1 or 2 shots completely destroying it in less than a couple of seconds.
Escort STO: Fewer Slots, slower...
I do believe sir/mam, that there's you're problem. Try running high power engines. Dont treat it like any slow cruiser, use it for hit and run attacks.

I've been nailed many times in my cruiser by a very well captained fleet escort multiple times because of the fact that he could go in and out of my fire range and decide when to strike. In a 1on1 engagement it would have been even, but in the team-vs-team PvP setup that is common in STO, he's like the vulture waiting for the prey to weaken before he swoops down to stab with his talons and feast...
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# 9
12-27-2010, 04:06 AM
I for one think we need some lovin'. I also think our SET should not despawn after six seconds or so of none combat. They should stay until they do the proper red shirt thing! We could also use a cannon power at the first tier as well as some adjustment in the durations and CD on powers in general and the TT power - well, talk about a slap in the face...
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# 10
12-27-2010, 04:24 AM
a good player in an escort can be beyond deadly. they are not the weakest ships in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

i will agree there should be more variants of escorts now but they are not useless. far from it.
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