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# 1 Cryptic Answers PvP
01-08-2011, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dstahl
A: This is a tough subject because there are those who love PVP and those who don't. Looking at the Star Trek Online playerbase, I don't forsee a future where we ever move to a completely open PVP architecture. What I do see are opportunities where we can make Open PVP areas a part of the Story and allow players to play out scenarios where they make sense. My gut says that you'll see more planned PVP contests before you see open world PVP.
Unlikely that I'll ever see them. I doubt anyone will see open world PvP in StO as anything other than a vague promise intended to keep the Pro-PvP players subscribed. Based on this comment, I don't foresee a future where I ever renew my STO subscription.
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# 2
01-08-2011, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Roxbad
Unlikely that I'll ever see them. I doubt anyone will see open world PvP in StO as anything other than a vague promise intended to keep the Pro-PvP players subscribed. Based on this comment, I don't foresee a future where I ever renew my STO subscription.
Open World PvP means different things: some feel instanced games should have open areas, other have a more purist definition where you should be able to fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. I believe that latter is what dstahl was referring to as being unlikely to happen while the former seems very likely/

Of course, I have no idea without further clarification from him.
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# 3
01-08-2011, 02:23 AM
darren is right open pvp could mean many things.

so you could be flying through sirius minding your own business then get attacked by some klingon players. (assuming you both flag yourself for pvp, or your both using a pvp instance.) this is what many people view at open pvp.

the other option is that they rope off an entire sector block and anything goes within the block only. possible with multiple star systems that change who controls them.

the final option is to just use a few systems like ker'rat and just let any player enter and anything goes within that system. no queues or anything.

dstahls comments are cryptic (pardon the pun) so whilst i believe we will see a form of open pvp that does not mean it will be the one everyone thinks it to be, but i think we will see one.
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# 4
01-08-2011, 02:45 AM
I really want open PVP in STO. What I mean by open PVP is a sector with open PVP systems you enter to have open PVP. Not fighting in sector space since you can't do that now. I thinking asking them to change the way sector space works is unrealistic. It would also force PVP on players who don't want to do it.

Not that I would want to flag and just fight anywhere. That just gets old fast, choosing when to enter PVP and having where it doesn't impose it on those that don't want to PVP. Is a much better option and more realistic. Because most people don't want to PVP and there is a lot of people who are just casual PVP'ers.

I hope we get a sector with open PVP in the systems. Where those who want PVP all the time can have it. Those who don't want to PVP get it imposed on them.
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# 5
01-08-2011, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Englebert
I really want open PVP in STO. What I mean by open PVP is a sector with open PVP systems you enter to have open PVP. Not fighting in sector space since you can't do that now. I thinking asking them to change the way sector space works is unrealistic. It would also force PVP on players who don't want to do it.

Not that I would want to flag and just fight anywhere. That just gets old fast, choosing when to enter PVP and having where it doesn't impose it on those that don't want to PVP. Is a much better option and more realistic. Because most people don't want to PVP and there is a lot of people who are just casual PVP'ers.

I hope we get a sector with open PVP in the systems. Where those who want PVP all the time can have it. Those who don't want to PVP get it imposed on them.
**** yeah. Someone get this man a Guinness and fly him down to Cryptic to make sure this gets done.

Maybe a few more warzones that aren't bugged?
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# 6
01-08-2011, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
**** yeah. Someone get this man a Guinness and fly him down to Cryptic to make sure this gets done.

Maybe a few more warzones that aren't bugged?
Yes, a few more that aren't bugged with something to do in them. Like capturing nodes of some sort. The game in Ker'rat is bugged out in a lot of places and you spawn together.

The problem with the flag system is there is no fighting in sector space which will require lots of work to make it happen. Then someone at one point will flag by accident or a group leader turn it on and will have PVP forced upon them. The flag system also requires a cooldown so the PVP'ers don't exploit it.

So it's just a bunch of work that is unnecessary. When we already have a system that works when you enter certain systems to have open PVP.
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# 7
01-08-2011, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Englebert
I really want open PVP in STO. What I mean by open PVP is a sector with open PVP systems you enter to have open PVP. Not fighting in sector space since you can't do that now. I thinking asking them to change the way sector space works is unrealistic. It would also force PVP on players who don't want to do it.

Not that I would want to flag and just fight anywhere. That just gets old fast, choosing when to enter PVP and having where it doesn't impose it on those that don't want to PVP. Is a much better option and more realistic. Because most people don't want to PVP and there is a lot of people who are just casual PVP'ers.

I hope we get a sector with open PVP in the systems. Where those who want PVP all the time can have it. Those who don't want to PVP get it imposed on them.
Again I think we can have our cake and eat it too here. You're not forcing PVP on anyone if its a choice to flag or not. You're giving them a choice. and you can still create open PVP sectors that auto flag anyone who enters for those who only want that type of gameplay.

yeah it is unrealistic to allow fighting in sector space but tagging someone could start a "DSE" like scenario dropping you both out of warp. Again I myself probably would not flag in sector space, as I am not a huge PVP fan. However this might be very attractive for those who want it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
At least give us something where we're not spawning on top of each other (like Ker'rat) or that's hopelessly bugged by PvE content (like Ker'rat).
I have heard so many bad things about this place. I have actually not been there yet.
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# 8
01-08-2011, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pikoy
Again I think we can have our cake and eat it too here. You're not forcing PVP on anyone if its a choice to flag or not. You're giving them a choice. and you can still create open PVP sectors that auto flag anyone who enters for those who only want that type of gameplay.

yeah it is unrealistic to allow fighting in sector space but tagging someone could start a "DSE" like scenario dropping you both out of warp. Again I myself probably would not flag in sector space, as I am not a huge PVP fan. However this might be very attractive for those who want it.
It's going to require lots of work to change the existing system. Which will cause problems and bugs just imagine the problems and anger it will cause if everyone is flagged and can't cut it off.

Then there are greifers who will get players to join their groups flag them and let their buddies playing the other faction kill them. It just brings headaches to developers and players for a system that's not that good.

Going into a PVP system to flag and fight then when you leave and return to sector space you are unflagged. This is existing and the better system in my opinion. I think it would be less work and more likely to get this type of open PVP.
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# 9
01-08-2011, 03:12 AM
Sorry, double post I had some sort of server problem and couldn't load the page.
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# 10
01-08-2011, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Englebert
I really want open PVP in STO. What I mean by open PVP is a sector with open PVP systems you enter to have open PVP. Not fighting in sector space since you can't do that now. I thinking asking them to change the way sector space works is unrealistic. It would also force PVP on players who don't want to do it.

Not that I would want to flag and just fight anywhere. That just gets old fast, choosing when to enter PVP and having where it doesn't impose it on those that don't want to PVP. Is a much better option and more realistic. Because most people don't want to PVP and there is a lot of people who are just casual PVP'ers.

I hope we get a sector with open PVP in the systems. Where those who want PVP all the time can have it. Those who don't want to PVP get it imposed on them.
/signed!!!

We need something like a real neutral zone. Anyone caught in there is fair game.

I can't stand the arena based pvp like we now.
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