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# 1 Idea about Borg
01-17-2011, 09:10 AM
Borg should be terrifying. A Borg cube is something that a starship can't take on alone. Yet, we routinely take on Borg during single-player missions. On ground missions, Borg are dispatched like every other race.

Maybe, in space missions, we should only come across and destroy Borg ships up to sphere level. A new scenario could be developed, where we take on a huge Borg cube just like the Crystal Entity scenario (it would require several ships working in absolute coordination to destroy it). It would look like the opening fleet combat scene on Star Trek: First Contact.

On the ground, I propose this for the Borg: the first wave should be extremely easy to destroy (one or two shots). The second wave would be harder, the third about as hard as the usual generic bad guys. The fourth would be hard (about as hard as the difficult setting). The fifth would have fully adapted: it would be invincible. The trick would be that the Borg would be slow, and would not fire ranged weapons, but their melee attack would be devastating. They'd look like mechanical zombies. Mission objectives would not be to "kill all Borg", but to interact with consoles, steal tech, reach a point where we can blow everything up, ect.

I really think that a lot work must be done to the Borg. As they are now, they are NOT the Borg we love to hate.
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# 2
01-17-2011, 09:34 AM
be funny if they could adapt if only for awhile to a certain type of weapon (ie immune to phaser weaponary for 30 seconds... a bitl ater... immune to polaron etc.)
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# 3
01-17-2011, 09:35 AM
A starship can take on a Borg Cube alone.

about 1:20 in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsqhZ...eature=related
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# 4
01-17-2011, 10:25 AM
Problem is that the first contact was 20? 30? years ago (in game time). Starfleet know that Borg are real threat, so they didn't sit in their offices and play Dabo or Jamjot but they develop technology to fight with Borg and to protect Federation ships.
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# 5
01-17-2011, 10:29 AM
You have to count in 2 things

1. It has been 30 years since the Borg was last seen, Starfleet is stronger than before.

2. The attack made during Endgame set the Borg back 30 years, which means that if you take that into account, the Borg we are facing now have just reached the technological point they where back during the late TNG-era. Which means that while the Federation has gotten stronger, the Borg has just healed themselves from that battle. So Starfleet has technically passed the Borg.


I would like to see them be able to adapt to our weaponry (as a resist buff).
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# 6
01-17-2011, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pdidy View Post
You have to count in 2 things

1. It has been 30 years since the Borg was last seen, Starfleet is stronger than before.

2. The attack made during Endgame set the Borg back 30 years, which means that if you take that into account, the Borg we are facing now have just reached the technological point they where back during the late TNG-era. Which means that while the Federation has gotten stronger, the Borg has just healed themselves from that battle. So Starfleet has technically passed the Borg.


I would like to see them be able to adapt to our weaponry (as a resist buff).
No, the Federation has not passed the Borg technologically. While the Future Janeway may have destroyed Unimatrix One, that is just one focal point for the collective. Originally the Borg were invisioned as an Ant colony. With the introduction of the Queen, they became more like a bee hive. In both cases, the death of the queen does not always mean the end of the colony. Often, a new queen rises(is born or hatched) to replace the previous queen. The Borg may have suffered a major setback, but they are far from being defeated. I suspect that the collective waited to lick their wounds, and make a different plan of attack. Nominally, that is just what happened between the first and second Borg Incursions (2366-7,2371-2).

Also, the Heavy Tactical Drone does have an effect that makes energy weapons useless for a short time. It happened to me several times on both "The Return", and "Assimilation".
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# 7
01-17-2011, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pdidy View Post
You have to count in 2 things

1. It has been 30 years since the Borg was last seen, Starfleet is stronger than before.

2. The attack made during Endgame set the Borg back 30 years, which means that if you take that into account, the Borg we are facing now have just reached the technological point they where back during the late TNG-era. Which means that while the Federation has gotten stronger, the Borg has just healed themselves from that battle. So Starfleet has technically passed the Borg.


I would like to see them be able to adapt to our weaponry (as a resist buff).
Who's to say that they would follow the same technological pathline as the did before? They may have progressed even further in those years, even exponentially. So trying to reason like that is a flat logical fallacy IMHO. That being said, I would hardly say they have 'technically' passed the borg.

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Some things have to be changed to make the game playable. If one Cube could take on a whole fleet, then you'd have no chance. Likewise, your Galaxy-X Dreadnought can not one-hit a Negh'Var.
You're looking at that like it's an issue. A cube can easily be made into a 'fleet combat action' where as spheres and other 'low tier ships' could be normal vessels. While not exactly canon, the idea still works. Not everything needs to be soloable, IMHO.
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# 8
01-18-2011, 01:02 AM
The way things are now, the Crystalline Entity is more powerful than a Borg cube (ludicrous concept), a Romulan Scimitar is more powerful than a Borg cube, and the Borg have lost their ability to adapt.

The point is, that the Borg are Star Trek's boogeymen. Unavoidable, unstoppable. They assimilate and destroy everything, and only a few skirmishes against them have been won. Yes, skirmishes. Voyager was... special circumstances.

But, the 30 year absense? Guys and gals, the Borg were centuries ahead technologically, and surely they continued to assimilate other races.

And, please, don't even get me started on the Undine... I am trying hard to overlook this issue. The game built up the excitement over the Undine, and you can take them out just as easily as any other race (they are even easier than the Borg).
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# 9
01-18-2011, 02:08 AM
On second thought, almost all Borg encounters that seemed easy can be explained away:

1) Tutorial -- these Borg are heavily weakened from the events of "Khitomer Accord"
2) State of Q -- these Borg are classic era (Battle of Wolf 359)
3) Collateral Damage -- these Borg are dealing with Undine (aka Species 8472)

That leaves only:
  • Asset Recovery
  • Infected
  • The Cure
  • Khitomer Accord
The Borg are quite tough in the latter 3. Starbase 82 (Infected) was the #2 spot for Battle Group Omega and considering that almost all 200+ Starfleet officers were assimilated, along with the commander Captain Ogen and their top researcher Rebecca Simmons (Manus of Borg) the Federation got owned pretty hard. In The Cure and Khitomer Accord they dish out quite a punishment.

As for the Borg that appear in the star cluster missions...that seems to be more an artifact of the randomly generated missions more than anything else.
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# 10
01-19-2011, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by loyaltrekie View Post
Who's to say that they would follow the same technological pathline as the did before? They may have progressed even further in those years, even exponentially. So trying to reason like that is a flat logical fallacy IMHO. That being said, I would hardly say they have 'technically' passed the borg.
The Borg's very nature. The Borg ASSIMILATE other species, and if your remember a good majority of the species we have seen from the Delta Quadrant aren't really the most technologically advanced. And many that where probably where assimilated a long time ago. Basically, the Borg in that sense is screwed. I do have to mention that we did not see a whole LOT of the Delta Quadrant, so that may be a false assumption.

Now, you also have to count in that basically the ENTIRE COLLECTIVE WAS LITERALLY BROKEN APART. How long do you think it would have taken for the Borg to reassemble an adequate Hive-mind? You have to remember that for Drones, dealing with individuality is hard, and most likely they where very confused and unable to work their advanced machinery. Also, the Queen was dead, meaning that the Borg's main Processor of Info is gone, and Chaos is brought into the remainder of the Collective. It is logical to assume that many of those years where spent just reassembling the Collective, and that the Borg probably lost some of their All-Powerful Knowledge. (Much like a Virus)
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