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Lt. Commander
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Alright, I'll skip the usual opening paragraph, and cut right to the chase. Currently, the ranks in STO are as follows:

Ensign: 1
Lieutenant: 2-10
Lieutenant Commander: 11-20
Commander: 21-30
Captain: 31-40
Rear Admiral, Lower half: 41-45
Rear Admiral, Upper Half: 46-50
Vice Admiral: 51

Now, there's two problems with this:
1. The current setup only allows for two more "canon" ranks to be added (Admiral and Fleet Admiral).
2. The current setup skips the rank of Lieutenant, JG.


My proposal is to adjust the ranks to the following:

Cadet: 1
Ensign: 2-10
Lieutenant, Junior Grade: 11-20
Lieutenant: 21-30
Lieutenant Commander: 31-40
Commander: 41-50
Captain: 51 (-60)

Additionally, when the admiral ranks are added, they would be as follows:

Rear Admiral, Lower Half: 61-65
Rear Admiral, Upper Half: 66-70
Vice Admiral: 71-75
Admiral: 76-80
Fleet Admiral: 81


This change would allow for expansions to be a somewhat separate game involving fleet controls and other "admiral-level" abilities. It would also stay truer to canon, in that Captains are the driving force pervading the universe (i.e. the most common ship commanders).

We would also need to re-do the tutorial slightly, but doing the tutorial as a cadet would make more sense (to me at least), and would give new players a fitting introduction. Successful completion of the tutorial would place new players into the role of Ensign, a fitting place for new characters to start.

These changes, coupled with the idea of tier elimination and a new Tutorial, would make STO much more "Star Trek", while still retaining the current STO feel.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-25-2011, 10:27 AM
I'm not opposed to this. Frankly, my opinion is that I would have preferred that admiral ranks be titles for fleets only, with no real game-play difference.

I am curious, however...

I think there would be a mountain of crying about having people's rank "taken away", even though the game play experience would be exactly the same.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
02-25-2011, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ThomasGideon
I'm not opposed to this. Frankly, my opinion is that I would have preferred that admiral ranks be titles for fleets only, with no real game-play difference.

I am curious, however...

I think there would be a mountain of crying about having people's rank "taken away", even though the game play experience would be exactly the same.
Yeah, that would be the one drawback to the change. As someone with three Vice Admirals, I can certainly understand where they'd stand. However, I hope the fear of public outcry doesn't stop Cryptic from seriously considering the changes. They've been saying they want to be "more like Trek", and I hope they stick with that.
Lt. Commander
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# 4
02-25-2011, 11:37 AM
The only problem with that is how can they justify giving command of a ship to an ensign? As it stands, lieutenant barely makes sense with the whole battlefield commission and what-not.

I would like commodore to be added above captain, and all the admiral ranks expanded to a full ten levels. Your addition of Lt., J.G. is very good.
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# 5
02-25-2011, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cattivo80 View Post
The only problem with that is how can they justify giving command of a ship to an ensign? As it stands, lieutenant barely makes sense with the whole battlefield commission and what-not.

I would like commodore to be added above captain, and all the admiral ranks expanded to a full ten levels. Your addition of Lt., J.G. is very good.
If you follow the traditions of the US Navy, the title of Commodore was changed to Rear Admiral (Lower Half) so it would be somewhat redundant.
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# 6
02-25-2011, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cattivo80 View Post
The only problem with that is how can they justify giving command of a ship to an ensign? As it stands, lieutenant barely makes sense with the whole battlefield commission and what-not.
That would be a problem as well, but considering the state of the war, it'd be easy enough to explain away.

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Originally Posted by Cattivo80 View Post
I would like commodore to be added above captain
As Sakarak said, "Commodore" is synonymous with "Rear Admiral, Upper Half". I have no objection to the title being added to the game, but as far as the rank itself goes, it hasn't been seen in canon since TOS. (Coinciding with the change from "Commodore" to "Rear Admiral, Lower Half" in the US Navy).


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Originally Posted by Cattivo80 View Post
. . . all the admiral ranks expanded to a full ten levels. Your addition of Lt., J.G. is very good.
I wouldn't mind that either. I only left it at 5-level increments because that's how they're set up now. I'm focusing on the ranks themselves moreso than the actual levels involved.
Lt. Commander
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# 7
02-25-2011, 03:18 PM
I wouldn't mind if Cryptic did the following:

Cadet: Training mission at Starfleet Academy.
Ensign: Command of a type 8 shuttle for small missions.
Lt. J.G.: Command of a Runabout.
Lt.: Command of a Delta Flyer.
Lt. Cmdr.: Command of T1 starships.
Cmdr: T2 ships
Capt. 1-5: Command of T3
Capt. 6-10: Command of T4
Admirals: T5 and up.

However, none of it will probably happen. The only exception that I think would be considered is having ensign and lt. j.g. briefly command shuttles in place of the current training missions at the start of a new character.
Lt. Commander
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# 8
02-28-2011, 09:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThomasGideon
I'm not opposed to this. Frankly, my opinion is that I would have preferred that admiral ranks be titles for fleets only, with no real game-play difference.
Agreed. Furthermore, any proposal that links rank and level creates the same problem: What happens at N+1? Decoupling rank and level is necessary to solve this problem permanently:
  • Have a separate rank title.
  • Unlock a new rank title at each tier up to and ending with Captain.
  • Allow fleet ranks to be used as rank title for all flag officer ranks.
Lt. Commander
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# 9
03-01-2011, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by camenecium View Post
Agreed. Furthermore, any proposal that links rank and level creates the same problem: What happens at N+1? Decoupling rank and level is necessary to solve this problem permanently:
  • Have a separate rank title.
  • Unlock a new rank title at each tier up to and ending with Captain.
  • Allow fleet ranks to be used as rank title for all flag officer ranks.
Perhaps level should be based on XP, and rank (up through Captain, at any rate) be based on achievement some how?
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# 10
03-01-2011, 12:05 PM
I fully support this!
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