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# 1 Tired of ships on the C-Store
03-03-2011, 07:33 AM
I almost posted this in reply in the MVAM Escort feedback thread, but realized that it would be off-topic. I'm voicing my opinion here then.

When the MVAM was introduced as a console, I was hoping for more game progression such as hopefully some crafting method to obtain it (Even though the Delta Flyer crafting is still MIA) perhaps even a little quest line to help "test it." What we were offered was another cash grab for players to get something.

IMO, If every-single new ship or art release is going to end up on the C-STORE get rid of the subscription fee. It makes absolutely no sense. I have to pay almost $19 to have ship bundles like the D'Kyr or the retrofits. That's over one month's worth of subscription! So if I continue playing, you're going to get my money anyway, why charge me more?

The flip-side of buying via emblems is just such a grind. It will take me months to gather enough to buy all the available ships via in-game only. That's not very reasonable if I want to take a more relaxed approach to my gaming. By the time I have enough emblems the "Monthly ship release" comes around and I need to start the grind again. Why can't these art assets be budgeted from the subscription? Or made cheaper?

The choice: A month of game-time at all or a month of grind

And don't get me wrong, I understand that you're not simply putting everything on the C-Store. I think the team has done a magnificent job with the Weekly and the Season updates. But the C-Store works best for cosmetic little things. Ships do not belong in the store.

Besides, this micro-transaction economy model works well for FREE TO PLAY games, not subscription-based.

PLEASE! Fill the C-Store with Avatar/bridge costumes, pets, even the consumables bonus xp things. NOT FUNCTIONAL SHIPS. And if you MUST have them on the C-Store, I think $10 for a ship is a more reasonable price, $5 for the shuttles. Most of these ships take about a month or two for the team to get them to tribble. Sometimes more. Subscribed players payed during that time. If we fraction that subscription fee, we have payed some of those "Atari Points" and emblems through our monthly fee. PLEASE lower the price at the very least. Or remove them altogether and give me fun ways to get them in-game.

A matching emblem cost to more casual 300 or so would also be reasonable. I can get my ships in a more reasonable time frame, and I can have money to pay the subscription for another month.
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# 2
03-03-2011, 07:36 AM
Christ, not another one of these. Either grind 'em or don't buy 'em. Honestly.
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# 3
03-03-2011, 07:40 AM
Thanks for the opinion.

My point is about the functional items that end up on the C-Store and are way too overpriced in-game. I don't think it is fair grind. And the C-Store alternative seems like too much of a cash grab.
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# 4
03-03-2011, 07:44 AM
Just suck it up and grind.
IMO its even too generous that they give you the option of buying them.

But seriously, at the moment they are what you would call endgame ships and in other MMORPG's it takes A LOT of grinding to get one.
I was never able to get a 1st rate ship in Pirates of the Burning Sea because of the heavy grind required, and as a casual player in ********* it took me years to get some of the best armor in the game.
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# 5
03-03-2011, 08:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshmaul
Christ, not another one of these. Either grind 'em or don't buy 'em. Honestly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexraptor View Post
Just suck it up and grind.
IMO its even too generous that they give you the option of buying them.

But seriously, at the moment they are what you would call endgame ships and in other MMORPG's it takes A LOT of grinding to get one.
I was never able to get a 1st rate ship in Pirates of the Burning Sea because of the heavy grind required, and as a casual player in ********* it took me years to get some of the best armor in the game.
Out of these 2 quotes about grinding, I like the 2nd quote better. I consider myself a casual player as well but I am willing to grind to get the "high-end" stuff, not just have it handed to me since decreasing the amount of emblems to get them would do that.
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# 6
03-03-2011, 09:11 AM
I know another MMO's charge for expansions but thats for hours and hours of new game play content. Many new items like armor and mounts etc.

These ships cost twenty five dollars, fifteen dollars less than a expansion. They are also just more of the same. They aren't really any better and you just get the to the same old content that was boring ten months ago.

It seems like the only thing they fund is more c-store content.

I really don't think five quest every two or three months is very much gaming content at all.

I think they are laughing all the way to the bank that people would actually buy them.
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# 7
03-03-2011, 09:39 AM
Yep. The c-store is ridiculous when paired with the subscription.
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# 8
03-03-2011, 09:41 AM
In my opinion if you pay a sub you should get an allowance of C-Store points.
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# 9
03-03-2011, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexraptor View Post
I was never able to get a 1st rate ship in Pirates of the Burning Sea because of the heavy grind required, and as a casual player in ********* it took me years to get some of the best armor in the game.
I have played Burning Sea and it is hard to compare it to STO because Burning Sea has a living economy. You're not SUPPOSED to be able to get a 1st rate just like that. 1st rates were to be built as a fleet effort. Other than playing in a group, STO doesn't offer that level of player interaction. You each get the same amount of points at the end.

Not to clone Burning Sea, but perhaps we just need a similar option in STO. Production lines will help alleviate the problem. If I am "grinding" for say dilithium, while a fleetie is "grinding" for deutirium, then we get together and build a Defiant that's one thing. That's how Burning Sea works. Not everyone sitting though a month and grinding 500 emblems that really don't feel like they have meaning.

But anyhow, the point is the value. Something needs to give and something needs to be revised. We were promised that only cosmetic items will be added to the C-Store. Ship-parts like the Hephaestus costume is acceptable. A fully functional vessel is not.
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# 10
03-03-2011, 08:24 AM
I am inclined to agree. STO is basically a subscription game with a F2P store, and that it is rather off-putting at times.

Ships are the stars of Star Trek, and, if they're going to have special abilities as some of them do, then they should be relatively easy to obtain in game. It should not take a month of grinding to obtain a new ship unless that ship is somehow uber-powerful, in which case you couldn't have it in the C-store by their rules anyway.
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