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I challenge someone to bring this series to life in the Foundry
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# 2
04-19-2011, 08:36 AM
I find it interesting that, like many series that try to be 'different' and 'thought provoking', that as a series that is attempting to go 'back to its roots', the direction they take everything for the factions is decidedly un-Trek like in their evolution.

Not to say it's bad. But it's certainly very different and off-base a bit.
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# 3
04-19-2011, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus View Post
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I challenge someone to bring this series to life in the Foundry
I think you have most people busy with the city challenge at the moment

I think the Foundry definitely has the potential to allow an author to do a 10-15 mission story arc. I wouldn't attempt a project of that scope now, just doing 5 is going to be quite time consuming. But with some refinements to the system, I could definitely see it becoming practical.
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04-19-2011, 08:44 AM
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I think you have most people busy with the city challenge at the moment

I think the Foundry definitely has the potential to allow an author to do a 10-15 mission story arc. I wouldn't attempt a project of that scope now, just doing 5 is going to be quite time consuming. But with some refinements to the system, I could definitely see it becoming practical.
A team of people could also work together to develop a plot for each episode, and then each person do one episode. That way no one person would have to use all their slots.
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04-19-2011, 09:51 AM
It's an interesting idea, but it violates a whole lot of canon to get there (like klingons joining the Federation by 26th century, or the lack of time travel in the 30th century.)
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04-19-2011, 10:46 AM
I am not sure I like the direction. I don't think dissolving the Federation Utopia is so great.

The DS9 way to introduce more ambivalence and challenging the Utopia was good, but you can go too far, IMO.
At a minimum, I want to see a clear path leading to "rebuilding" this Utopia. But it honestly doesn't fit canon. The Federation doesn't fail, not ultimately. It might have to face obstacles - like the war against the Dominion was one, requiring to make compromises - but still for a greater good. I don't like the idea just because we haven't had a series for the intervening years, suddenly Lost Paradise like usurpations or Babel conferences are failing.

If they want more conflict, they need to bring the next Enterprise crew back to the border regions, unexplored space. If they want serialized, peace treaties and conflict resolutions don't always have to be resolved in a week's episode.

The TOS Enterprise was Starfleet's only defense in a large area of space. You can go back to that if you go far out of the Federation Territory.
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04-19-2011, 11:09 AM
even though the series was never made, can you actually make a series based off of someone pitch? isnt that stuff still someone property?
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04-19-2011, 01:10 PM
It's an interesting idea (the pitch), only thing I'm pouty about is the idea of MAJEL, which is a sentient ship which is really an idea GR already had (in Andromeda) and something I had in mind for a trek series too (although in a different extreme) and a mission/foundry idea I have...

Still, I do agree that even though it's just a pitch, I believe it might be already their idea and making foundry missions off of it may break some rule or law somewhere...
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04-19-2011, 01:12 PM
There's actually probably a good possibility it's registered with the Writer's Guild, which means it'd likely be a violation of some sort.
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04-22-2011, 04:59 AM
I have a somewhat unique perspective on this pitch. I have to admit that my first and foremost interest in life is Roman History. Star trek is not far behind, but i know my Roman history far better then my trek canon.

This pitch is actually not all that bad from my point of view. They compared this year 3000 federation to the decline of Rome... Depending on your opinion on why the Roman Empire fell apart, there are ALOT of story lines to work with. To list a few...

-Idealism: Late period Romans were very aware of the grandeur of the past and most of the military/political figures tried to shape themselves in the pasts image(Caesar, Cicero, Trajan). The past does not fair well in the future however. It would be easy to have the federation full of wannabe Kirks and Picards and find them totally overmatched by the challenges of their day. This could form some interesting character back stories.

-Cultural beliefs: With Rome it was the argument between paganism and Christianity (among others). With this Federation, they could argue over the prime directive. Different versions of Christianity divided the Roman Empire and so different opinions on what the prime directive could mean or if it was even worth the trouble would also be excellent plot wise. Then the idea of Vulcan/romulan unification would be another element to this debate.

-On a 'stretched out' and limited Starfleet: This may be where they have the most inspiration from Rome. The Romans attempted to use the same tactics that worked 500 years in the past to defend themselves. They were smart enough to change around somethings, but not enough to be as dominate as they used to be. Imagine a starfleet thats still 'raise shields/red alert' against enemies that know exactly the starfleet playbook.

My 3rd interest in life is politics. Which this series would obviously include. This sounds like a federation that is far more isolated, unable to manage its resources properly. Worlds would be left to defend themselves more often then not and there would be no sense of community. This new Enterprise would not have to travel far to find a story. Any federation world may have the needed drama. To compare the current USA to the federation in 3000. The Ferengi=Chinas growing power? Vulcan/Romulan or Klingon mysticism could challenge the status quo like todays world watches how Islam decides which form/path it wants to take.

The opportunity's would be there for a story. It would not be the federation we know and love, but it would be star trek. The 'new kirk' (not sure if a new kirk is the right way to go) and his enterprise could directly tackle the same kinds of stories the first one did. They could attempt to answer 'what is the federation', just as america is trying to decide what it is. Gene Roddenberry's ideal future would in theory be 'put on test' by the characters actions and morals. It would be a series based on a discovering if utopia can stand up and face the nightmare where if it fails then it would no longer even be believed in. The dominion war, was hard fought and it that strained the federation, but it was not an ideological war between members of the federation. It was simply a 'good guy verse bad guy' war.

Star Trek is about showing the way to the future and what humanity could be like. Todays world is one faced with so many possible disasters, that this series could grab ahold of the debates and present a way it can be overcome, or how the world would look once it was overcome. TOS aired in a time of huge political and social change, and it showed a way to overcome them. TNG was around when the ideals of the 60's were being lost and america was reshaping itself. This new trek was a whole new slew of problems to play off of.

Its to bad its never going to be produced.
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