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# 1 My B'rel is really small now!
04-21-2011, 09:58 AM
One thing that I've been asking for, is the B'rel to be shrunk down. Well...I logged in today and guess what...it has been shrunk to the size of a shuttle!!! I have to admit...I kinda like it. I only hope it was deliberate and not a glitch with the new patch.


I'll post pics when I get home.
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# 2
04-21-2011, 10:06 AM
Our QA team is checking it out.
Thanks for the heads-up!
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# 3
04-21-2011, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by WishStone
Our QA team is checking it out.
Thanks for the heads-up!
Thanks for the info. If this helps I would love to point out that the T1-T5 B'rel was already too big. Here is the standard one in game next to the Negh'var (680m). Per Memory Alpha it should be 110m. This pic shows it being about 170m. I know it's only about 60m off but I love how the B'rel really feels like a zippy ship now being as small as a fighter.
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# 4
04-21-2011, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TrekTheStars
Thanks for the info. If this helps I would love to point out that the T1-T5 B'rel was already too big. Here is the standard one in game next to the Negh'var (680m). Per Memory Alpha it should be 110m. This pic shows it being about 170m. I know it's only about 60m off but I love how the B'rel really feels like a zippy ship now being as small as a fighter.
Great...and I thought I already got motion-sick flying a BOP...lol. This will make it feel worse methinks.
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# 5
04-22-2011, 01:15 AM
I know this is a whole different can of worms, but I think the original BoP from ST: III never was a B'Rel. Not by that name. IMO, I think our T1 and T5 Retrofit as the larger B'Rel are fine.

While I know it's a bug to be corrected, I honestly like seeing this tiny thing next to the carrier and the K't'inga. It feels oddly right to me. If this tiny BoP were to be added to the game on purpose, It might make a fun addition to the Klingon Academy when its ready. As a scout/trainer, maybe? I wonder what Bird-of-Prey would look like translated into Klingon? That could be the class name.
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# 6
04-22-2011, 02:28 AM
Just for fun, I poked around more. If this smaller BoP were to be added in addition to the B'Rel, this would likely be the D-12 that Lursa and Betor were using in Ds9 and Generations (the film). Perhaps less buggy now than when they used it. :p
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# 7
04-22-2011, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Psi'a Meese
I know this is a whole different can of worms, but I think the original BoP from ST: III never was a B'Rel. Not by that name. IMO, I think our T1 and T5 Retrofit as the larger B'Rel are fine.
It's even more complicated than that.
In TNG they began to show supersized BoP, like the Pagh in "A Matter of Honor" that looked somewhat oversized and was called a cruiser in that episode.
Then there was "Yesterday's Enterprise" which shows ships about 350 meters long, called K'vort.
Of course one may point out that those were only shown in that universe, but then again the Enterprise was in that timeline as well so how probable is it the Enterprise was in both while the Klignon design was not?
Anyway the footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise" was reused in the episode "Rascals" and there the ships were called B'rel class.
Which would actually mean the very same oversized BoPs were called K'vort in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline and B'rel in the regular one.
Or another possiblity is that the B'rel was the precursor to the K'vort since the Ferengi who operated the ships in that episode said they were outdated ships.
But in any case the B'rel is actually as big as the K'vort if we go by the screen evidence.
The idea that the B'rel is the name for the small ones while K'vort is the term used for the big ones is from the Star Trek Encyclopedia, which was obviously an attempt to get some kind of order to the mess and appearently Cryptic followed the Encycolpedia's lead.
The term B'rel was never used outside "Rascals" while K'vort was used in a DS9 episode to describe the IKS Koraga so the K'vort class exists in "our" timeline as well.
And it's sadly still missing from this game.
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