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# 1 Prometheus Should be a Cruiser
05-29-2011, 06:27 PM
This has been bugging me for a while now. In the Voyager Series, the Prometheus was most clearly and certainly a cruiser. It was about the same size as a Nebula Class and they are very large ships. Its main advantage was its MVA mode.

At the very least, the Promeheus should fall under a Multi Skill. Peeps should be able to fly it using Cruiser or Escort skill.
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# 2
05-29-2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Death_JesterUK
This has been bugging me for a while now. In the Voyager Series, the Prometheus was most clearly and certainly a cruiser. It was about the same size as a Nebula Class and they are very large ships. Its main advantage was its MVA mode.

At the very least, the Promeheus should fall under a Multi Skill. Peeps should be able to fly it using Cruiser or Escort skill.
This one is up there with the old posts that wanted the Intrepid to be an escort or the Sovereign to be an escort as well. The question of validity is moot as it really doesn't matter because it's not going to happen, Cryptic is not going to alter their tier system.
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# 3
05-29-2011, 10:34 PM
Depending on which source you use, the Prometheus is a little over 400m long, a similar size to the Akira. Admittedly, the Nebula is also listed as about 450m long, but in-game its similar in size to a Galaxy, which is listed as around 600m long. So they probably oversized the Nebula in-game.

The other thing to consider is that the Prometheus was designed as a warship, similar to how the Defiant was designed as a warship. But Starfleet doesn't actually use warships (they're primarially exploration and peacekeeping), so Fed warships are designated escorts.

I personally prefer to see the Akira and Prometheus as destroyers rather than cruisers. Fast, maneuverable, lots of weapons, more suited for combat. It also explains why they're larger than Cruisers (Miranda and Constitution) - the line between modern cruisers and destroyers is very blurred. So ships for combat are escorts, ships for exploration are cruisers.
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# 4
05-30-2011, 03:54 AM
The Promethius is just fine as an Escort. As pointed out above, the Defiant and the Promethius are the only ships Starfleet made specifically for combat. It could be argued that the Saber, Norway, Akira and Steamrunner were also built for combat, but not to the degree that the Defiant and Promethius were.
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# 5
05-30-2011, 06:57 AM
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The Promethius is just fine as an Escort. As pointed out above, the Defiant and the Promethius are the only ships Starfleet made specifically for combat. It could be argued that the Saber, Norway, Akira and Steamrunner were also built for combat, but not to the degree that the Defiant and Promethius were.
Indeed... The "most canon" texts I have been able to find specifically categorize the Sabers, Akira and Norways as hardcore Escorts, while the Defiant and Prommie are pure warships... Nothing more, nothing less.

Categorizing the prometheus as a Carrier is kinda ... an odd idea... And the "multi class" idea seems odd too as there would have to be made several alterations to the ship both in terms of weapons layout and hull strength... It DOES hav the Sci thing thoug, buuuuutttt....
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# 6
05-31-2011, 06:58 AM
Well we'd run out of escorts prety soon.
IMO the Akira is a cruiser too. Basicly, the nebula and the Titan are cruisers.... The NX class that almost didnt have weapons at all when she left for Space the first time is, for sure, not an escort. Thats most likley because most ships in Star Trek were cruisers.
But since we have 3 categorys here we need ships that fit into the other categorys, and the Prometheus... like the Akira, Nebula ect ect ect are fine where they are.
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# 7
06-22-2011, 01:14 PM
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This one is up there with the old posts that wanted the Intrepid to be an escort or the Sovereign to be an escort as well. The question of validity is moot as it really doesn't matter because it's not going to happen, Cryptic is not going to alter their tier system.
yeah, this.

Pretty much end all, be all about this topic. (moves on)
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# 8
06-16-2011, 02:26 PM
To qoute Yoda "Size matters not"

The size of a ship does not designate it's type or role. Yes the Promethius may be of similar lenth to a Nebula, but the Nebula is just all bulk. It's practically a Galaxy class saucer section with a couple of nacelles hung underneath and the sensor aray on top. So while it's lenth isn't huge, the actual size and power capabiltiies are much more than the Promethius.

The Soverign is designated a Cruiser, but it's skinny as hell, it has no bulk to it but that's not what defines a Cruiser. A Cruiser is a ship which is capable of pretty much filling all roles, exploration, transport, science all while boasting a large warp core capable of supporting excellent shields and powerful weapons.

Ships like the Defiant are floating gun platforms and fall into the role of Escort a lot more easily than ships like the Promethius. But while the Promethius and it's sister ships are larger than the small gunboats such as the Defiant and Rapier it boasts a lot of weapons for a smaller style ship and also excellent maneuverability.

So the size of a ship isn't what defines it's role but what it is designed to do, and the Promethius was designed to be an offensive tactical ship capable of being it's own attack group.
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# 9
06-16-2011, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenel
the Promethius was designed to be an offensive tactical ship capable of being it's own attack group.
The way I look at it is the Prometheus was designed to be three Escorts, which are carried into batlle by a shared dedicated warp drive system.

If you look at the design of the three classes of ships, the Cruisers are designed to be long range, highly autonomous vessels. The original Enterprise was built around a 5 year mission in which it would be away from starbases and resupply for extended periods of time, perhaps even reaching to the very edges of known space. (Such as, the Galactic Barrier) The Galaxy class was designed to be even MORE independent, carrying the families and children of the crew on board so they would not be separated from each other for decades or more.

This is why Cruisers are the largest of the ships, it is not so they can pack more weapons, or even so they are more robust, but so they can carry lots of CARGO. The vast majority of a Cruiser's space is taken up with storage and crew support, the amount of space actually dedicated to combat is minimal, by comparison.

The Escort, on the other end of the spectrum, dedicates most of its space to combat, because it is designed as a warship. Range is not that important, except as necessary to get to the location of the battle, and so it doesn't carry lots of cargo and crew amenities. The Defiant takes this to an extreme, this is stated in canon, the ship is so small, it barely has room for a crew, and it is NOT a comfortable ship to fly on. It is intended to operate from a base, Deep Space Nine, and return to that base when the mission is over. It pretty much has no capability to remain out on a mission for five years or more exploring the unknown.

The Federation has a need, though, for warships which have more extended range and sustainablilty for longer missions. The Akira is one of those, and presumably the Dervish is another, although not to the extent of the bigger Akira. The Prometheus is comparable in size to the Akira, but when split is about the same size as a Miranda or Intrepid. The Prometheus also has redundant systems, it has three warp cores, three computer systems, and three independent weapons systems (some mounted on mating surfaces where they are only exposed when separated) although apparentlly it has only the two impulse engines on the saucer. (And only one bridge)

In other words, if any one of these three redundant systems fail, one of the two backups can take over in combined mode. This makes the Prometheus much more robust than a smaller craft with only one warp core, like the Defiant. During combat, when the demands of battle require that all available systems be brought online, the MVAM can benefit from separating into three smaller, more manueverable craft, while during extended missions the ship is a single, larger, more robust unit.

As for Science Vessels, they seem to be designed for even more autonomy than Cruisers. The Voyager, after all, was able to operate without any contact with Star Fleet at all, in an available space equal to the original Enterprise. Presumably, this was the result of advanced technology, the Intrepid class had an extremely advanced computer system, which was more powerful even than the Galaxy, and probably advanced replication abiltiies as well. (Which explains all those shuttles ) Other Science Vessels, like the Nebula and DSSV, are obviously huge ships and designed for even longer ranged missions.

Primarily, though, the Nebula, Oberth, and even Miranda, are classified as scientific vessels because of their ability to be refitted for specific missions. Science missions presumably have extremely high requirements, like the development of the Genesis device, or the deployment of the tachyon field in TNG to detect the cloaked Klingon ships, and so they probably have to have a lot of varied sensory capabilities, and the abilty to be refitted with the "roll bars" and mission pods that are so common in Science Ships.
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# 10
06-20-2011, 04:55 PM
it should a cruiser becuase in series sovvi wasnt a cruiser it was a battleship so as galxay interpid was cruiser promthues is cruiser akira is cruiser defiant and steam runner r escorts
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