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When we first found out the VA token was being removed, this was the reason we were given by the new EP:

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Originally Posted by sdangelo View Post
As for why we are not keeping the free ship at Vice Admiral to Gold players, this is primarily because it creates an "exploit" where a Silver player could subscribe immediately before ranking up to get the ship, then cancel. This doesn't make the accountant types very happy.
So the "problem" is that someone could just sub for one money and only pay $15 rather than paying $25 to buy the ship from the store. However, no more than 2 months sub is required to solve that "problem" since $30 > $25.

In that same post he went on to say:

Quote:
I have considered options whereby you have to subscribe multiple months to qualify, but that penalizes the well meaning player who happens to get to Vice Admiral before they hit the minimum time.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...49#post3806649

Well in the past few days we have found out that the VA token is being added to the 600 day vet reward. Maybe I'm just dense, but I'm a little confused about this for 2 reasons:

1) if the "primary" reason it was removed was because of the "sub 1 month" exploit, then why make people wait more than 2 months since that solves the problem?

2) isnt putting the VA token at the 600 day reward a DIRECT contradiction of saying you dont want to penalize people who get to VA quickly by making them wait for the minimum time?

Was D'Angelo just "joking" about what he said originally? If so, I fail to see the humor. Can someone please help me understand?

***UPDATE***

D'Angelo has now replied on page 5:

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Originally Posted by sdangelo View Post
The way things worked out here at Cryptic is that, after the post which was quoted at the start of this thread, we decided that we were definitely not going to re-instate the free Vice Admiral Ship Token for all players.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...08#post3852908

Of course not. However subscribers are not "all players". In fact they are going to be the minority after F2P. So giving your subscribers the VA token after 2 months sub isnt going to hurt your bank. Also, your not giving anything away "free" to subscribers because they are subscribing.
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# 2
11-07-2011, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The.Grand.Nagus View Post
Maybe can help me understand this, because it looks like a contradiction of previous statements to me. Was D'Angel just "joking" about what he said originally?
its the puppet masters pulling telling him to say that. remember, if you can find a post anywhere that contradicts what the most recent thing they said, its some how wrong and not what they meant to say.
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# 3
11-07-2011, 07:21 PM
Yes. Its a direct contradiction. I highly doubt the levelling experience will now take 20 months to get you to VA.
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# 4
11-07-2011, 07:30 PM
The 600 day reward as it stands now is still a gaping void where Cryptic took 250 emblems away from us and haven't made any attempt to replace them. The VA token isn't them giving us anything, merely replacing something they took away from us in an effort to force us to spend more money on the C-store.
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# 5
11-07-2011, 07:41 PM
I'm especially loving how this doesn't actually give us something for our emblem reward. they are giving us something back that we already had, and for anyone that has supported the game by, i dunno, buying all the cstore ships you LITERALLY get nothing for the emblems they stole.

great way to make game supporting players feel appreciated.
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# 6
11-07-2011, 07:51 PM
Hey, at least I know that I don't have to rush to get as many characters to VA/LG as possible before the F2P launch now. I feel sorry for those who will have to wait but what can you do? It's not like they "need" a Retrofit ship to play at end game. I think that some people could benefit from learning to have a little more patience anyway.

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# 7
11-07-2011, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
Hey, at least I know that I don't have to rush to get as many characters to VA/LG as possible before the F2P launch now. I feel sorry for those who will have to wait but what can you do? It's not like they "need" a Retrofit ship to play at end game. I think that some people could benefit from learning to have a little more patience anyway.

This thread really isnt about whether the ship is "needed" or whether people need "patience" or not, its about what D'Angelo told us and what they are now planning on doing.
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# 8
11-07-2011, 08:01 PM
now if only they would go back on f2p....i mean they've told us one thing, why not NOT give us another.....
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# 9
11-07-2011, 08:26 PM
It just seems par for the coarse that Cryptic has been on lately.

It's hard to take anything that Cryptic reps have been saying seriously at all these days.

We here something from a rep one day and then the next day we're being told that we misinterpreted what they ment even though their words were 100% clear.

Let's face it giving us a VA token once we reach level cap will hurt Cryptics C-Store sales on VA retrofits and other end game vessels, they needed to take away that token and the 250 emblems to hopefully boost C-Store sales on max level ships.

There was no intention of ever giving the emblems or that token back; however, when the fourms started rageing Cryptic needed to tell us something to calm us down and buy them some more time to come up with a solution.

Wow, what a solution Cryptic has come up with!

Rejoice my friends... we now have our access to our VA tokens again and we'll be able to claim our free VA +1 ship about a year and a half after we reach level cap
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# 10
11-07-2011, 08:33 PM
Yea, this pretty much chaps my hide, I could have used the emblems right now more than the VA token that I ALREADY HAVE. Oh, and I already have my assult cruiser and advanced escort ship, So I don't even NEED it, there are no other ships at that level that I want. Give me a free ship from the C-store, or some damn rare mineral samples so I can craft something nice for myself... something USEFUL.

Can I trade my VA token for something USEFUL?!


I get to play 4 or 5 hours a week, if that, so its not like I can grind out 500 emblems in a months time. This game is very very imbalanced for people like me who can't play much.
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