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Lt. Commander
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I'm sure many of you agree with me that the new remastered STF's a great, all the fun of before, but without the aspects that would so often make them a headache. There is one new feature of them right now that is making more people scratch their heads than ever. That would be the new STF loot system and store.

It used to be that at the end of an STF run, the whole team would need or greed on a single purple mark X anti borg weapon. There was no guarantee you'd get anything, and you had no choice over what the reward loot would be. That pretty much sums up everything special about the STF loot before Season 5.

Now the STF's are no longer given out at missions, but instead accessed via the new PVE queue. They are segmented into Normal and Elite modes, and into ground and space segments. During the stf, any dropped loot has some rare chances to get the new stf currency, along with optional objectives to unlock a guaranteed purple or stf currency drop to need and greed on, and a guaranteed stf currency drop for EACH team member.

Now that we've covered how you get the stf currency, lets go over what the different types are, what you can get with them, and how redemption is handled.

The main new currency drops are Encrypted Data Chips, or EDC's At the end of every STF you are awarded with one EDC guaranteed (or more during special events or on elite mode), plus you may get more dropped during the STF.

EDC's have many uses. The main use for them is to get Requisition items (I'll explain those in a bit, please bear with me). 5 EDCs are worth a single Mark X Requisition (which can be redeemed for a single purple mark X ground or space weapon with a [BORG] proc, or shields/armor/engines/deflector/kit/etc), and 10 EDC is worth a Mark XI Requisition.

The items you can redeem these Requisitions for are considered "Standard Issue Requisitions" and is how you will find them on the store menu. In addition, there are "Special Reserve Requisitions", and "General Merchandise".

Special Reserve refers to the new ground and space sets. One of these set pairs, the Omega Force set, is available to players of either faction, Starfleet or Klingon Empire. Additionally, Starfleet players can opt for the MACO set, while Klingons can get the Klingon Honor Guard (KHG) set. There are three tiers of Special Reserve gear, Recruit, Veteran, and Elite. These corrospond to Mk X, Mk XI, and Mk XII, respectively. You have to get the specific Special Reverse requisition for the tier and device class you want, for example, "Recruit Engine Requisition", or "Elite Weapon Requisition" You can get a single Recruit Requisition for 20 EDC, or a Veteran Requisition for 40 EDC. Elite Requisitions cannot be obtained with EDCs.

The last group of items you can purchase for EDC is the General Merchanise, which allows you to exchange any of the stf currency for different amounts of dilithium, you can get the Retro Borg Set that used to be awarded for STF completion for 5 EDC a piece, or you can purchase Borg Duty Officers. A blue drone doff is 20 EDC, and a purple is 40.

After all this talk of EDC, we didn't even get to the two other types of STF currency, which are Borg Tech, and Borg Salvage. Borg tech is a drop you will not see very often, but a single Borg Tech is good for a Special Reserve Requisition. Common tech is good for Recruit gear, rare tech good for Veteran gear, and prototype tech is good for Elite gear. Like the requisition, the tech is specific to the device class, ie Shield, Weapon, Engines, etc. These usually appear within the same drop as your guaranteed final EDC after the boss, but may appear in any drop within the STF.

Borg Salvage is something you'll see a bit more often than the Borg Tech. It works basically the same, except the salvage is good for Standard Issue, not Special reserve. A mark X req costs one Rare Borg Salvage (RBS), mark XI costs two RBS, and mark XII costs a single Prototype Borg Salvage (PBS) Like the tech and EDC, salvage usually appears within your guaranteed loot bag, but can drop any time during the stf.

Please note that Prototype Borg Tech and Salvage is only obtainable by playing Elite stf's, and you won't see it every time you play.

The STF store where you can do all this is located on the Promenade at DS9, just look for the crowds. While there, you'll redeem your EDC RBS and PBS with Commander Roxy at the desk, then take your requisitions to the MACO/KHG officers standing along the walls.

While we're on the topic of these officers you might notice their sweet uniforms with helmets. The two darker ones outside the door are Omega Force. When you unlock the Special Reserve ground set it will unlock titles and costume bits for these uniforms. Please note that to get the full uniform with helmet, you must unlock the gear on Elite level. Also note that the mk X Omega set unlocks costume parts, but MACO/KGH only unlock at mk XI and XII. Each better mark of the set gives you more bling for your uniform. If you unlock one level of the costume, any lower level will also be unlocked.

I know this is a lot of info, but it should answer any/all questions about how to obtain and use the new STF currency.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
12-27-2011, 11:53 AM
This is a great explanation on how the new STF gear can be earned. Thanks for posting! /stickied

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=
Lt. Commander
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# 3
12-27-2011, 12:06 PM
My only issue with the new system is the "extra step" so to speak. I don't see why you need to purchase, say, a Mk XI shield requisition with 40 EDCs and then go and buy your Mk XI shield with the requisition. Why not just be able to purchase the Mk XI shield with 40 EDCs right then and there? Granted, I'm only saying this because I accidentally spent my 40 EDCs I ground out for a space shield req instead of the ground one. It was a little confusing and I think would be more straightforward if we could just purchase what we wanted with the EDCs and Salvage instead of having this extra step with the requisitions.

Now, if there's a reasoning behind this that I'm just not seeing (I admit I can be kinda dumb sometimes) then I apologize. I'm not trying to rage here :p
Lt. Commander
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# 4
12-27-2011, 12:13 PM
What I want to know is what the drop rate for prototype salvage is.
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# 5
12-27-2011, 12:36 PM
well i would agree with this but, the prototype really never drops i have done over 60 elite missions and never have i gotten a purple prototype salvage. it really makes me mad all i get is 2 chips and maybe blue rare salvage.... i dont think they exist. maybe i'm unlucky but i feel the loot drop is broken and unevan at best. the new system has made it a grind fest. with no reward for the mk xii in sight. the blue rare salvage needs to be worth the same on the same stuff.. well what i mean is 40 chips for a item ok. maybe 15 rares for the same. and a way to get the mk xii's i will never see the mk xii's at this rate. THIS NEEDS FIXED.
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# 6
12-27-2011, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cowkiller75
well i would agree with this but, the prototype really never drops i have done over 60 elite missions and never have i gotten a purple prototype salvage. it really makes me mad all i get is 2 chips and maybe blue rare salvage.... i dont think they exist. maybe i'm unlucky but i feel the loot drop is broken and unevan at best. the new system has made it a grind fest. with no reward for the mk xii in sight. the blue rare salvage needs to be worth the same on the same stuff.. well what i mean is 40 chips for a item ok. maybe 15 rares for the same. and a way to get the mk xii's i will never see the mk xii's at this rate. THIS NEEDS FIXED.
I've gotten Prototype Borg Salvage, and been on teams with people who get Prototype Borg Tech. So it does exist, but it could be more often of a drop.
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# 7
04-11-2012, 08:07 AM
I agree. But sadly the difference between MKX and MKXII Special Reserve gear is practically non noticeable with only very slight changes in stats
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# 8
04-11-2012, 08:46 AM
I've run a ton of normals (over 40) and I've only gotten a couple of Common Borg Tech drops across FIVE CHARACTERS. 5 EDCs for one piece of MK X gear is ridiculous. I lose a vast majority of the Rare Borg Salvage rolls, so other people get two pieces of gear from one run when it takes me 5 runs to get one piece.

STFs are a horribly boring and frustrating grind when it takes so long to get so little. Every player should get an EDC AND 1 Rare Borg Salvage for every run, and completing Optionals should give a Borg Tech piece and another Salvage for everyone to roll on. Then it would feel worth my time. Until then, I officially give up on STFs. I wasted enough of my life running dungeons in WoW back in the day, and STO's STFs are far less rewarding.
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# 9
04-13-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by njdss4 View Post
I've run a ton of normals (over 40) and I've only gotten a couple of Common Borg Tech drops across FIVE CHARACTERS. 5 EDCs for one piece of MK X gear is ridiculous. I lose a vast majority of the Rare Borg Salvage rolls, so other people get two pieces of gear from one run when it takes me 5 runs to get one piece.

STFs are a horribly boring and frustrating grind when it takes so long to get so little. Every player should get an EDC AND 1 Rare Borg Salvage for every run, and completing Optionals should give a Borg Tech piece and another Salvage for everyone to roll on. Then it would feel worth my time. Until then, I officially give up on STFs. I wasted enough of my life running dungeons in WoW back in the day, and STO's STFs are far less rewarding.
Hmm. I'm not sure that makes a lot of sense, actually. Let's compare the differences and your expectations.

In WoW, the highest 'raid' gear which you can get through 'badges' has a weekly cap. You certainly can't get a set, let alone most 1 piece in the first week. You can get accessories (think of them as consoles in STO) maybe in the first week if your class has a ranged or relic slot. But, anything substantial, you'd have to wait a minimum of 2 weeks for a single piece. Worse still, none of these confer set bonuses.

Now, in STO, you can get a single piece in at most 5 hours (that's assuming 1 EDC per run and getting a piece of the Borg set). 5 hours is soooo much less than 2 weeks. Multiply this by 3 for the entire Borg set (15 hours. 3 days if you do 5 hours a day {like weekends})

Let's go the other direction and assume you instead want to do a MK XI set. Multiply that by 5 hours by 8. Assuming, of course, you don't get any rare salvage. 40 hours, you can do in 8 days if you only do 5 hours a day (3 weeks minimum for the entire set if you're vigilant on the time you need to take daily). Let's assume you stretch it out a bit more. For a single piece, you can get this in about 2 weeks. (6 weeks for an entire set with set bonuses if you take it a slower pace.)

I'm not exactly buying the logic that the grind is worse here except for the top of the line elite level gear. (Which, incidentally, is roughly at what WoW is at end-game raiding's time investment.)

Edit to fix time constraints.
Lt. Commander
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# 10
04-13-2012, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PWE_BranFlakes
This is a great explanation on how the new STF gear can be earned. Thanks for posting! /stickied

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=
Bro, forgive me if this sounds harsh.. But....

Earned??? Are you serious??? Do you even play Elite STF's?? The MK12 stuff can't be earned..
Earning would imply that I play 'X' amount of missions or work be done to 'EARN' a reward. And it would be equal across the board for all players. EDC's are the only thing earned in STF's at the end of each mission.
The Mk12 Prototech is only given upon the variable of the player rolling 17 or higher on their 20 sided dice.
Quote:
Quote from Gozer: "the odds are about as good as its going to get for a while... put simply.. if you were rolling a 20 sided dice.. a roll of 17 or higher would get you tech... and..you roll that dice every time you complete a stf"
According to that quote i should be getting a Borg tech for every 5-6 Elite STF's missions..Even a Tech every 20 elite stf's would be acceptable but it Doesn't happen.

Many (and i mean many) STF players have complained about having run many missions without getting the appropriate tech or any tech. Some players have over 500-1000 missions without getting a complete set. I myself have done over 400-500 missions and finally gave up for now. I got 3 prototechs to complete 1 set for space. For ground i had a total of 7 prototype tech and 3 Rare Tech for the ARMOR tech. 1 Prototype Tech and 1 Rare tech for Personal Shield Generator. I have ZERO Prototype borg tech dropped and 1 Borg salvage for weapons. What the hell am i going to do with 7 prototype borg tech for armor?? I would think after 500 missions i should have earned ALL of the appropriate borg tech awarded. But according to Gozer if i don't roll the Dice just right I won't get squat... What a bunch of BS..
The reason we play ELITE stf's is for the MK12 stuff not for the Rare tech. But playing the missions for some Random number to be rolled utter non-sense..
I have over 500 edc, 150 Rare Salvage, and over 100 Prototype Salvage.. Can't do much with it. I could turn it in for Dilthium but that's a waste of time since you can only refine 8,000 max a day.

How to fix the problem?? Allow us to turn in our EDC, Borg salvage, and Prototype Borg Salvage for MK12 stuff. Even if it's a high amount it would give us a goal to achieve and we would actually EARN it.
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