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Once again, I am dissappointed in the Devs. I have been with the game since Beta and Launch, and I stick with it today, despite numerous previous dissappointments. Some people, including my friends, even urged me to cancel my sub, which I was not going to do. But this is not about me, this is about the fact that for the billionth time since launch, the Devs have proved that unless the community gets down on it's knees and begs, it's perfectly fine never touching the Escort and Science Vessel classes again.

"But Spartan, there are so many advanced Sci vessels and Escorts, and THEY were made by the devs!"

You're half-right. The newer Sci-vessels were made for 2 reasons: 1, people wanted historic ship classes that weren't in the game, and 2, Fed players wanted a ship that could more easily counter Klingon cloaking.


But on the Escort side of things, the Devs have NEVER made ANY updates to the ship class, or added new ships in general, unless we BEGGED for it. The Retrofit Defiant was a kick in the pants at best. And the Multi-Vector Assault Escort would never had existed, had there not been a massive argument over a Federation battleship-type vessel to counter Klingon Dreds that was threatning to rip the community to shreds.

Case in point, I think that the Devs have been BLATANTLY NEGLECTING the Science Vessel and Escort class ships, and as of yet, there seems to be no remedy. The current Fed flagship-class vessel is firmly in the Cruiser Class, rather than being the first fully or half universal ship in the Federation classes that was NOT a Shuttle. This leaves Escort and Sci Vessel captains by the wayside with no means of catching up to Cruiser captains.

SUMMATION: IT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE DEVELOPERS OF THE GAME, HENCEFORTH KNOWN AS "STAR TREK ONLINE", SHOULD EITHER MODIFY THE ODDESSY CLASS TO BE MORE EASILY UTILIZED BY NON-CRUISER CAPTAINS, OR SHOULD IMMEDIATLY BEFORE THE RELEASE OF ANY OTHER CONTENT, DEVELOP A SIMILARLY RANKED ESCORT AND SCI VESSEL.

Comments most certainly welcome.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
01-25-2012, 07:33 PM
We've known about the Odyssey since late 2010. It's been done since May of 2011 just waiting to be released. So now the Devs suck because they're giving us something we've known about for a year? Really?
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# 3
01-25-2012, 07:37 PM
Easiest way to remedy the lack of an engineering escort would be to mod the nebbies with a tactical pod, and swap all the sci and tac stations on it. Instant engineering escort.
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# 4
01-25-2012, 08:00 PM
I agree that Escorts and Science vessels need some endgame love, but not at the expense of what we already have. Cryptic did well with the Odyssey (and its KDF counterpart, which I am actually more excited about).

Now that we have this monster of a cruiser perhaps the Devs can give us some fancy VA Escorts and Science vessels that ARE NOT Refits?
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# 5
01-25-2012, 08:08 PM
Escorts needing love...? lol...

Wow. The most conceited thing I've heard in a while.

Sci ships do need some love, I admit that. Sci has been the ******* child of STO for a while.

But Escorts? Wow...

WTB people who aren't lobbying to OP their own professions at everyone else's expense. PST offer, paying well.

I flew Escorts for a long, long time. They were so ROFL stupid easy that my five year old son was scoring PvP kills while I watched a movie with my wife.

I wanted something that took... well, a brain... to fly. So I picked the one ship everyone laughs at, and turned it into a monster.

This whining is rather entertaining, however, I do have to admit. I suppose I'll break out the popcorn and let this continue for a while in silence.
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# 6
01-25-2012, 08:12 PM
Annnd, the point just sailed over your head at warp 9.

They're sick and tired of cruisers getting all the hulls, instead of Escorts and Sci ships, which do need more to beef them up to the end-game selection that cruisers have.
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# 7
01-25-2012, 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakaishin
Escorts needing love...? lol...

Wow. The most conceited thing I've heard in a while.

Sci ships do need some love, I admit that. Sci has been the ******* child of STO for a while.

But Escorts? Wow...

WTB people who aren't lobbying to OP their own professions at everyone else's expense. PST offer, paying well.

I flew Escorts for a long, long time. They were so ROFL stupid easy that my five year old son was scoring PvP kills while I watched a movie with my wife.

I wanted something that took... well, a brain... to fly. So I picked the one ship everyone laughs at, and turned it into a monster.

This whining is rather entertaining, however, I do have to admit. I suppose I'll break out the popcorn and let this continue for a while in silence.
Speaking of conceited..

I don't think the OP's post was about the Escort ships being underpowered at any rate. It was about flavor.. and I taste a whooole lot of Cruiser in this soup. There are exactly 0 new and interesting Escort ships at endgame, and only 1 new and interesting Science ship at endgame (Vulcan ship). All they have are refits... damn refits.
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# 8
01-25-2012, 08:27 PM
To the OP...the challenge that exist of taking 'nothing' and making it into 'something'. Has always existed with this game from the beginning.

The current verison of the Escorts (speaking from a TAct view), now function better than the prevoius skill sets that were around.

I tested my DR just last night, on ELite mode in Enemy space, by itself it took on a Mirror Fed Universe Battle group, and it handled well against them...leaving behind much space dust in its wake.

Now as for the hull increasement or the like...if given to Escorts, they will no longer qualify in that weight class, they will drop in speed and manuvers if that be the case. And that is just one example. That will push them to Light Cruiser level, and some features (like certain wpns) will not be able to be used in that case.
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# 9
01-26-2012, 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakaishin
Escorts needing love...? lol...

Wow. The most conceited thing I've heard in a while.

Sci ships do need some love, I admit that. Sci has been the ******* child of STO for a while.

But Escorts? Wow...

WTB people who aren't lobbying to OP their own professions at everyone else's expense. PST offer, paying well.

I flew Escorts for a long, long time. They were so ROFL stupid easy that my five year old son was scoring PvP kills while I watched a movie with my wife.

I wanted something that took... well, a brain... to fly. So I picked the one ship everyone laughs at, and turned it into a monster.

This whining is rather entertaining, however, I do have to admit. I suppose I'll break out the popcorn and let this continue for a while in silence.
yeah that flew over your head. as an escort pilot, id like to see some new variations at end game. i like the odyssey and think its looks cool, but i do think that there needs to be some newer escorts. there is no whining about this- its just a simple fact- escorts need some visual love:p

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmic_One View Post
Each Class has the same stock ships. The game has gotten 2 T5 Cruisers that weren't stock: Excelsior and now Odyssey. The game has gotten 2 T5 Science Vessels that weren't stock: Nebula and D'Kyr. For Escorts we know the T5 Andorian ship is coming - we've all seen the drawings - and ThomastheCat hinted fairly strongly in a podcast that a T5 Akira might be in the horizon too. Yes, the Escorts might be coming a little slower but, as I said above, Trek is a Cruiser-centric IP, and always will be.
ST being a cruiser centric IP is very true- a T5 akira would be nice, as it would be more of a smaller cruiser type escort focused on fighting- i think as escorts go, that could probably be the way. larger than the small escorts but a bit beefier. i just wish escorts got some visual loving like the cruisers. sci ships need that love too:p
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# 10
01-25-2012, 10:48 PM
Honestly I dont think you can totally blame STO for lack of escorts or even science ships. The fact is most of star fleets ships are cruisers and id suspect that its alot easier to get approval from CBS to put in already known ships then it is to get approval for ships that some artist drew up. Not saying i disagree, I think that there needs to be more of both but i think you can only toss the blame STO way so much. Problem with going with a IP like Star Trek or Star Wars is you have to stick so close to the manual so you dont get to have the free range to do what is wanted as often as a company that doesnt represent an IP like Star Trek.

Im sure they know it needs to be done but they have to run everything they do by CBS and im sure that adds alot of time to certain projects that other companies would be able to toss out faster.
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