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# 1 Cruisers and endgame PVE
02-10-2012, 05:19 PM
There seem to be a lot of folks who don't view cruisers as a valid choice for many things: PVP, Endgame content, etc. A lot of people have angrily compared them to space whales or whatever in other threads, and I'm not sure where the disconnect is.

As an engineer, I've happily chugged along in a cruiser since I started (up to level 43 so far). I've participated in massive battles in which enemies made the mistake of targeting me just to find out I can't be exploded, and my damage output is on par with most klingon opponents I've observed. Turn rate isn't much of a problem if you know when you need to pivot to rotate shields (using abilities) and understand that gearing up a cruiser for damage is a lot different than gearing up a ship that faces forward at all times to do battle. Isn't this really simply a play-style choice?

Despite the fact that The Odyssey has fallen short on a lot of levels, I was looking forward to being able to fly this thing around endgame only to find out that it for some reason "doesn't work." I get that a ton of ships instantly explode whenever the borg look at them funny in higher difficulty modes - and its my understanding that the cruiser ability to "tank things" does not make up for this fact, but does this really invalidate cruisers in endgame content?
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# 2
02-10-2012, 05:21 PM
I just finished a cure stf, and basically soloed it in my assualt cruiser. I out dpsed all escorts easily, and im only using mark x weapons.
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# 3
02-10-2012, 05:25 PM
My Odyssey does exceptional in the STFs I've flown her in. Actually, she hasn't exploded once, and I've tank-soloed groups of spheres, getting them away from the escorts taking out the objectives.
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# 4
02-10-2012, 05:29 PM
i am quite able to tank a cube in an elite STF on my own but i have problems with many ships like loads of spheres. i still dont go down that much i just dont take them down as fast as i want to
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# 5
02-10-2012, 05:49 PM
The Truth: In regular STFs, cruisers suck. Are they tougher than escorts? Yes, they are - but it doesn't matter, because a properly piloted escort will (a) not blow up, (b) do at least twice the damage of a cruiser, and (c) be faster and more maneuverable.

In elite STFs, cruisers are maybe a little better, but not much. Escorts and cruisers both die to 1-shot torpedoes, and non-torpedo damage is still tankable most of the time in an escort. And even if you blow up, the respawn timer is only 15 seconds. Big whoop.

As far as STFs go, it is really all about damage. Survivability barely matters. You do the math.
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# 6
02-10-2012, 06:01 PM
Don't worry about 'folks' say, if you are playing in a properly geared level appropriate ship of your choice you are doing the right thing. Know the encounters and pay attention.
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# 7
02-10-2012, 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emanonsah
I just finished a cure stf, and basically soloed it in my assualt cruiser. I out dpsed all escorts easily, and im only using mark x weapons.
I'm doing my best not to laugh out loud.
Seriously, you must have met up with people trying to fly T2 Escorts or something.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexiom
The Truth: In regular STFs, cruisers suck. Are they tougher than escorts? Yes, they are - but it doesn't matter, because a properly piloted escort will (a) not blow up, (b) do at least twice the damage of a cruiser, and (c) be faster and more maneuverable.
As for this and other endgame stuff, Cruisers seem to do fine as far as I can tell by observing.
I haven't got the gear I want to try and take my tac+Odyssey into its first major battles.
I *prefer* an Escort, simply because my play style involves moving around alot at high speed and high turn rate, doesn't necessarily mean an escort is *better* in total.

I will say, as an ENG in an Escort I have out survived most of my Tac/Sci Escort peers in many occasions without sacrificing too much damage.

In the end, its not about DPS.
Its about how many bad guys you can kill before you go boom, and how efficiently you can do it.
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# 8
02-10-2012, 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexiom
The Truth: In regular STFs, cruisers suck. Are they tougher than escorts? Yes, they are - but it doesn't matter, because a properly piloted escort will (a) not blow up, (b) do at least twice the damage of a cruiser, and (c) be faster and more maneuverable.

In elite STFs, cruisers are maybe a little better, but not much. Escorts and cruisers both die to 1-shot torpedoes, and non-torpedo damage is still tankable most of the time in an escort. And even if you blow up, the respawn timer is only 15 seconds. Big whoop.

As far as STFs go, it is really all about damage. Survivability barely matters. You do the math.
Speak for yourself, I get hit with those, wipes out an entire shield facing and 65% of my hull but I cna recover from that.

Spec into threat control and when the escorts go from rarel exploding to not at all, they'll be grateful your there and the team will perform better, since your DPS is 0 when you blow up.
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# 9
02-13-2012, 06:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexiom
The Truth: In regular STFs, cruisers suck. Are they tougher than escorts? Yes, they are - but it doesn't matter, because a properly piloted escort will (a) not blow up, (b) do at least twice the damage of a cruiser, and (c) be faster and more maneuverable.

In elite STFs, cruisers are maybe a little better, but not much. Escorts and cruisers both die to 1-shot torpedoes, and non-torpedo damage is still tankable most of the time in an escort. And even if you blow up, the respawn timer is only 15 seconds. Big whoop.

As far as STFs go, it is really all about damage. Survivability barely matters. You do the math.
Wrong. And I'm an escort pilot. A tanking Ody with THREAT CONTROL skill is a godsend in elite STFs. Period. As an escort, I really don't want everything in the instance focusing on my three seconds after battle starts because I do the most DPS (which I do). I want them focusing on the Ody spamming FAW and with perma EPtS and lots of shield and hull heals and resists. It's seriously pure win.
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# 10
02-10-2012, 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emanonsah
I just finished a cure stf, and basically soloed it in my assualt cruiser. I out dpsed all escorts easily, and im only using mark x weapons.
And I've seen an Odyssey die to a single sphere and spend 2 minutes to barely scratch a transformer. Anecdotes are extremely useful.

Still, cruisers built for damage are good for any elite STF. It's the cruisers with rainbow beams, not enough power to utilize the weapons fully and with awesome skills like Boading Party 3 that can make the optionals impossible. Of course the same applies to escorts and science ships too but they are not as common.
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