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# 1 Multi Vector where is it?
02-14-2012, 07:35 AM
Ok look. I enjoy the multi vector module on my assault fed ships but prefer to play red side.
Since the fed side has managed to get virtually everything new introduced to the Klingon side I think it's about time that a multi vector console was available for the KDF.

I'd suggest the Raptor as the ship to use it's body type seems the most suited and gameplay is on close to that of a fed escort. This isn't too much to ask it would be as the Deferi would say "Balance".
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# 2
02-14-2012, 07:53 AM
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Since the fed side has managed to get virtually everything new introduced to the Klingon side...
Feds have three ship types - Escorts, Cruisers, and Sci Vessels. Klingons have access to direct equivalents of all of them. In addition, they also have:

Carriers
Marauders
Flight Deck Cruisers

Other Klingon unique options:
Battle Cloaks

Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
Multi-Vector (Which is a console, so doesn't really count, since all +1 ships have unique consoles)
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# 3
02-14-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Vexiom
Feds have three ship types - Escorts, Cruisers, and Sci Vessels. Klingons have access to direct equivalents of all of them. In addition, they also have:

Carriers
Marauders
Flight Deck Cruisers

Other Klingon unique options:
Battle Cloaks

Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
Multi-Vector (Which is a console, so doesn't really count, since all +1 ships have unique consoles)
...
The FDC is a beefy Assault cruiser with 250 more shields, a slightly higher impulse modifier but minus the Ensign tac for a Ensign Science and one less tactical console slot. Its fun and good under a good build but hardly the defining advanatge ofteh Empire. Its basically a carrier (due to the maurauding force console) and a battle Cruiser hybrid.
Battle cloaks are only on the BoPs (which suffer for them in drawbacks of being squishy) and can be emultaed by the MVAM in all respects (if not better in some ) than the BoP without having a battle cloak as an option.

While we do not need a MVAM design on the KDF (imo), the feds are hardly left in the cold on thier vessel designs and they even have hybrids of thier own to use.
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# 4
02-15-2012, 10:59 AM
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The FDC is a beefy Assault cruiser with 250 more shields, a slightly higher impulse modifier but minus the Ensign tac for a Ensign Science and one less tactical console slot. Its fun and good under a good build but hardly the defining advanatge ofteh Empire. Its basically a carrier (due to the maurauding force console) and a battle Cruiser hybrid.
Wasn't the marauder based on the Star Cruiser? I'm fairly certain when it first went for testing on Tribble it still had all the Fed Transwarp abilities from the SC (which led to the KDF players killing all the NPCs on ESD, again) as it was pretty much a copy and paste. As far as I could tell, which was admittedly some time ago, it was all but identical in the base stats to the SC with only the recent hangar changes making it different.
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# 5
02-15-2012, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Militis View Post
Wasn't the marauder based on the Star Cruiser? I'm fairly certain when it first went for testing on Tribble it still had all the Fed Transwarp abilities from the SC (which led to the KDF players killing all the NPCs on ESD, again) as it was pretty much a copy and paste. As far as I could tell, which was admittedly some time ago, it was all but identical in the base stats to the SC with only the recent hangar changes making it different.
My apoligies. You are correct. It is the Star Cruiser.
I still do not find the FDC to be so unique as to constitute a KDF advantage and I still do not think we KDF need a MVA vessel.
Unlike the feds I care not for thier toys and wish to enjoy what we KDF already have to enjoy.
The fed faction has plenty of options in game play and vessels that falls very well into the ideology of how they operate and I still see cries for carriers, battle cloaks and other otherwise non-fed concpets as nothing more than "toy" envy.
I know that you do not carry such childish envy, but far too many of your fed brethren certainly seem to hold different views.
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# 6
02-15-2012, 01:25 PM
KDF does have more hull but in this game that means nothing because if they can get your hull on a regular basis you are dead. Shields are where it is at and Feds have the better shield modifiers built into their ship. There escorts turn better than the KDFs the MVAM in 3 pieces turn better than a BoP but have more shields and hull than the BoP, the advantage of the universals in a BoP are moot since the MVAM has the most optimal BoFF layout that most good BoP have. So KDF has carriers, a space brick, that requires the universe to turn around it.
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# 7
02-15-2012, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
My apoligies. You are correct. It is the Star Cruiser.
I still do not find the FDC to be so unique as to constitute a KDF advantage and I still do not think we KDF need a MVA vessel.
Unlike the feds I care not for thier toys and wish to enjoy what we KDF already have to enjoy.
The fed faction has plenty of options in game play and vessels that falls very well into the ideology of how they operate and I still see cries for carriers, battle cloaks and other otherwise non-fed concpets as nothing more than "toy" envy.
I know that you do not carry such childish envy, but far too many of your fed brethren certainly seem to hold different views.
I'm hurt! My Fed brethren? I haven't played Fed all week!

Seriously though, I know what you mean. I don't understand the desire, for either faction, to want to emulate the other. If I can play Fed or a Fed with a red UI then I'll stick with the blue UI (it's easier on the eyes). Personally I like that the KDF offers a different play style, even if I do always end up dribbling over the Hegh'ta.
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# 8
02-15-2012, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
I still do not find the FDC to be so unique as to constitute a KDF advantage and I still do not think we KDF need a MVA vessel.
Unlike the feds I care not for thier toys and wish to enjoy what we KDF already have to enjoy.
The fed faction has plenty of options in game play and vessels that falls very well into the ideology of how they operate and I still see cries for carriers, battle cloaks and other otherwise non-fed concpets as nothing more than "toy" envy.
Once again Roach speaks wisely...and I strongly agree with my esteemed colleage.
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# 9
02-14-2012, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vexiom
Feds have three ship types - Escorts, Cruisers, and Sci Vessels. Klingons have access to direct equivalents of all of them. In addition, they also have:

Carriers
Marauders
Flight Deck Cruisers

Other Klingon unique options:
Battle Cloaks (Which is a +1 power like excelsior transwarp,)

Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
Multi-Vector (Which is a console, so doesn't really count, since all +1 ships have unique consoles)
Mission Content greater then 8 Missions
Uniform opitions both c-store and in game. Aka ambassador Uniform
Off duty outfits
non doff maurder missions
several starbase in several sectors compare to accaess to two.
Customization skins for ship. Most KDF ships have zero choses, the few that do have no opition other then selecting a different skin.
Saucer separation
Transwarp ship to different sectors. AKA Excelsior class

...
Add the items you where missing in red.

But no KDF those not need MVA just like federation those not need Carrier.

And why are you listing flight deck cruiser twice the maurder is flight deck cruiser.
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# 10
02-14-2012, 03:48 PM
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Battle Cloaks (Which is a +1 power like excelsior transwarp,)
This is false. Battle Cloaks are available on non-C-store ships, hence not a +1 power. Furthermore, comparing combat abilities to non-combat abilities is pretty lame.

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Mission Content greater then 8 Missions
Uniform opitions both c-store and in game. Aka ambassador Uniform
Off duty outfits
non doff maurder missions
several starbase in several sectors compare to accaess to two.
Customization skins for ship. Most KDF ships have zero choses, the few that do have no opition other then selecting a different skin.
Saucer separation
Transwarp ship to different sectors. AKA Excelsior class
Wow, another barge load of non-combat junk. In fact, the only item in your entire list that is semi-valid is Saucer Separation, which is actually a +1 console ability.

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And why are you listing flight deck cruiser twice the maurder is flight deck cruiser.
Sorry for the confusion. I meant "Raider".
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